I'd keep going, the first 8 or so bands might be along those lines but I'd be surprised if you view e.g. Jesse Garon & The Desperadoes or the Siddeleys as tuneless sub-Fall (of course I like all the supposedly bad bands at the beginning of disc 3, especially the Dog Faced Hermans and A Witness)
― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
Yes, A Witness in particular has some great moments.
The next box, "C89", is coming out in a couple of weeks!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
I agree, Jesse Garon and (even more) Siddeleys are definitely not in that bad genre. (Though there is a Jesse Garon track somewhere that seems to have some kind of Mark E. Smith pastiche on it?) So yes I will keep going, thanks.
As a friend says, it's good that they put all that stuff together and maybe I can skip past it in future.
I like the idea of C89 but I will need to get to C88 first.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
So C89 came out and it was solid if starting to drift into territory that I never liked, and I just listened to C90 and I'm definitely out - never was a fan of the baggy sound and there's way too many weak indie rock bands with poor singers. I was chatting with a mate about it and he said, "The action in the US was much better than the UK at the time." Which made me wonder if there's any US equivalent compilations of the 86-90 period. You'd have to have Guided By Voices, Yo La Tengo, Superchunk, Camper Van Beethoven, Sebadoh, Throwing Muses... who else?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 2 March 2020 02:01 (four years ago) link
There were scene-specific comps like NY Eye & Ear Control, and random things like Magic Ribbons (Sebadoh, Unrest, others) — but nothing else I can think of, that early, which would have brought together a bunch of disparate bands like those you mention.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Monday, 2 March 2020 02:33 (four years ago) link
feels like there were a lot of major label samplers with a real mixed bag that weren't memorable as compilations (I remember a Capitol sampler cassette that had the Cocteau Twins and Motorhead on it)
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 2 March 2020 02:37 (four years ago) link
This Shimmy Disc comp is another (very) rough analogue.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Monday, 2 March 2020 03:00 (four years ago) link
It was all very scene/city/label–specific.
― Murdered-Out Highlander XLE (morrisp), Monday, 2 March 2020 03:07 (four years ago) link
Yes, in the United States compilations are going to be mostly label-specific in this era. Sub Pop 200 and The Wailing Ultimate capture a good segment of it.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Monday, 2 March 2020 03:08 (four years ago) link
So why not a slight backtrack?
https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/c85-3cd-clamshell-box-set/
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 August 2022 15:09 (one year ago) link
They should give the C86-era stuff a rest and do C81
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 8 August 2022 15:34 (one year ago) link
Not that I'm not grateful, mind, I'll buy this eventually. I think I've gone off box sets for a while because I've found going through Grapefruit's psych/prog-pop boxes exhausting and I just want things to arrive in smaller chunks :(
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 8 August 2022 15:36 (one year ago) link
They definitely have a model they follow it's true.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 August 2022 15:37 (one year ago) link
I put on C96 the other day, some good stuff on there, also some not so good stuff.
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 8 August 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link
Thought the revive would be about this new book by some bloke who's tracked down all the members of the C86 bands and what they're doing now:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/08/reel-lives-how-i-tracked-down-the-class-of-nmes-c86-album
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Monday, 8 August 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link
There appear to be two current C86 threads. Unlikely as that must seem.
― Buckfast At Tiffany's (Tom D.), Monday, 8 August 2022 18:21 (one year ago) link
Giving C85 a spin, a LOT of this got airplay at my college radio station at the time. As with all of these comps, some I still rate, some I've moved on from, and hopefully some I passed over grab me now. I'll settle for one revelation, really.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 4 November 2022 20:00 (one year ago) link
I've been listening to C87 (3CD), CD3, a lot. The first 8 tracks on the disc are experimental / noisy garbage that I have to skip. But then there's a quite strong run of tracks including Jesse Garon & the Desperadoes, the always good Siddeleys, and others.
The thought that strikes me and I wish to relay is: we all know of an association between 'C86' and 'twee', implying things like androgyny that have been talked to death already. What I hear in most of these bands, especially the ones with male singers, is something else. Defiance. A shaky swagger. A precarious pomp. There's a note of almost macho, certainly male, confidence, but one that's also undercut by the smallness of the whole enterprise.
― the pinefox, Friday, 20 January 2023 09:14 (one year ago) link
> The first 8 tracks on the disc are experimental / noisy garbage
1. DOG FACED HERMANS – Catbrain Walk2. STUMP – Tupperware Stripper3. GAYE BYKERS ON ACID – Everything’s Groovy4. BOG-SHED – Tried And Tested Public Speaker5. A WITNESS – Red Snake6. MACKENZIES – New Breed7. THE SHRUBS – Edith8. STITCHED-BACK FOOT AIRMAN – Tears In The Gutter
there's a great compilation that focuses on this kind of stuff (and a book) - Death to Trad Rock (although oddly it also includes the wedding present).
i'd also like the ron jonson stuff to be more wildly availably (maybe it is, but last time i looked there was one compilation, lp only, not re-pressed)
― koogs, Friday, 20 January 2023 10:51 (one year ago) link
It does seem like a neglected area of music but then I suppose it wasn't exactly popular!
― A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Friday, 20 January 2023 11:04 (one year ago) link