Gay Marriage to Alfred: Your Thoughts

i don't know if it's come up since then but someone tried this in florida a few years ago and it failed. they just said florida can legitimately decide its state policy is not to have gay marriage, and making them recognize it would mean that massachusetts would be determining what the law is for every state (that seems like if you took that to its logical conclusion the FFC means nothing but i think that's what it says). and by passing DOMA congress is within its power to say what effect the laws of other states have. i don't know too much about the FFC but it's not really a magic bullet.

Which is why when DOMA finally becomes before SCOTUS, a laywer may cite the full faith and credit clause to assert the act's unconstitutionality.

meanwhile the Ted Olson saga gets stranger: Gay groups: We don't want Olson.

the case is wilson v. ake. it wasn't appealed to the 11th circuit though so that's just one district in florida.

it is definitely not a magic bullet, but it's a more hardcore constitutional issue than the "right to marry."

(like, it's very easy for me to believe that a 5-member majority including kennedy would decline to rule for a right to marry. but a constitutional contracts argument could sway at least one of them. maybe even scalia, although he'd probably do some kind of jujitsu to get out of it.)

On an anecdotal sidenote: Jeffrey Toobin's book on the Court describes most of the justices being ok with homos personally. A clerk was touched by a letter Rehnquist wrote him when his partner died. Clerks brought their partners to the annual cocktail hour with the justices, and were introduced as such.

For the I'm Not Surprised File: Clarence Thomas even kept pictures of a lesbian clerk's partner on his desk (!!)

except there is a constitutional right to marry! like you're right the court would definitely decline to extend it to same-sex couples if it came up today but it's not because it doesn't exist. xp

right, yeah, i mean a right to marry that extends to gay couples.

sorry what i meant was i don't feel like either one is more likely to succeed because arguments exist both ways, but still...........gays.

i don't know, i think a ruling on faith-and-credit seems more inevitable, because there are going to start be a kazillion complications from having people married in some states but not in other states.

in other words, the exact kind of legal nightmare that the clause very explicitly intends to obviate.

Um, what explicitly pissed me off with the Irish one is the government saying in advance that marriage isn't going to happen despite the massive support in its favour.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gUUXsl3sakXbS8W1AYb4xSxxEMIgD98JE1IG0

lol this isn't even on CNN.com yet

i think at this point the media just assumes everyone north of new haven is in a gay marriage.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/12/741817/-Obama-on-DOMA:-He-IS-Keeping-A-Promise

vs

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/what-was-obama-thinking.html

Dan Savage calls for civil disobedience. I'm almost ready to join him.

Go for broke, I figure.

Still mad at Savage for his scapegoating black people in the wake of Prop 8.

Gays too busy mourning MJ to be pissed off about this?

Why would gays be pissed off by the Vice-President pledging to push harder on issues that affect them?

cuz they'd been talking for months about how they were going to boycott this event and make a big stink at it about Obama's lack of action?

from all the talk previously this was shaping up to be a PR nightmare for Obama, but now its completely buried

50 of them did protest and called gay representatives "gay Uncle Toms" (which kind of points up how ppl should really read source material and not just be lazy parrots but that's another argument)

called gay representatives "gay Uncle Toms"

wow, I'm sure these people have the best of intentions but they really can go fuck themselves

right there with you on that

ppl should really read source material

I know, right? Uncle Tom was totally gay.

'Gay Excorcism'

called gay representatives "gay Uncle Toms"

lolz was "house homos" already taken

just view it like the 100% wrong use of "immaculate conception" for "virgin birth"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/08/massachusetts-takes-aim-at-federal-definition-of-marriage/#more-59669

DC, WE TAKIN OVER

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050501618.html

DADT to be taken up by Senate committees this fall

Maggie Gallagher, I love you:

The Borg Blinks [Maggie Gallagher]

In "The Carrie Effect," I point out that gay-marriage advocates are like the Borg. Resistance is futile.

LA Times interviews Ted Olson about gay marriage.

Clinton has "changed his mind" about gay marriage and is now no longer against it. Gee thanks a lot douchebag.

Way to put your figer to the wind, there, Bill.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20091104/pl_cq_politics/politics3239042

really, really disheartening

On the other hand, it wasn't exactly a landslide.

I feel a sense of regional shame that New England is viewed as the most receptive area of the country to gay couples and not, oh, CALIFORNIA. wtf

wtf is wrong with people?

This one's been making the rounds and is very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2nsGtd7y3c

I feel a sense of regional shame that New England is viewed as the most receptive area of the country to gay couples and not, oh, CALIFORNIA. wtf

I think this is really a misnomer, as disappointed as I was by the results on Prop 8.

The Bay Area - alright, probably pretty receptive to gay rights.

But where else? Los Angeles, with its HUGE conservative Latino population? San Diego? The Central Valley? The Central Coast? Up North?

None of these areas are very politically liberal when it comes to social issues.

really surprised by this...

Yes! You and your god have won! Hooray!

http://i.imgur.com/FDFx2.jpg

Fucking retards.

smh

So that old lady who's kneeling in thanksgiving, we're pretty much just waiting for her and her kind to die, right?

I realize she's someone's mother, sister, but personally, I hope that day is soon.

So angry.

However!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/us/04washington.html

the maine vote by far the most disappointing result of yesterday's elections. the other big races were party politics, take 'em or leave 'em. but this one, i just really hoped some of that supposed hardheaded maine decency would come through.

what's most dispiriting is just the sense that you can't win this fight and keep it won. even in a state where the legislature passed it and the governor signed it.