there's a bit about its specific application to gay marriage on the wikipedia faith-and-credit clause page, noting that scalia identified it as the likely chink in the armor.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know if it's come up since then but someone tried this in florida a few years ago and it failed. they just said florida can legitimately decide its state policy is not to have gay marriage, and making them recognize it would mean that massachusetts would be determining what the law is for every state (that seems like if you took that to its logical conclusion the FFC means nothing but i think that's what it says). and by passing DOMA congress is within its power to say what effect the laws of other states have. i don't know too much about the FFC but it's not really a magic bullet.
― harbl, Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Which is why when DOMA finally becomes before SCOTUS, a laywer may cite the full faith and credit clause to assert the act's unconstitutionality.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link
meanwhile the Ted Olson saga gets stranger: Gay groups: We don't want Olson.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link
the case is wilson v. ake. it wasn't appealed to the 11th circuit though so that's just one district in florida.
― harbl, Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:27 (fourteen years ago) link
it is definitely not a magic bullet, but it's a more hardcore constitutional issue than the "right to marry."
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link
(like, it's very easy for me to believe that a 5-member majority including kennedy would decline to rule for a right to marry. but a constitutional contracts argument could sway at least one of them. maybe even scalia, although he'd probably do some kind of jujitsu to get out of it.)
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link
On an anecdotal sidenote: Jeffrey Toobin's book on the Court describes most of the justices being ok with homos personally. A clerk was touched by a letter Rehnquist wrote him when his partner died. Clerks brought their partners to the annual cocktail hour with the justices, and were introduced as such.
For the I'm Not Surprised File: Clarence Thomas even kept pictures of a lesbian clerk's partner on his desk (!!)
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:36 (fourteen years ago) link
except there is a constitutional right to marry! like you're right the court would definitely decline to extend it to same-sex couples if it came up today but it's not because it doesn't exist. xp
― harbl, Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link
right, yeah, i mean a right to marry that extends to gay couples.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link
sorry what i meant was i don't feel like either one is more likely to succeed because arguments exist both ways, but still...........gays.
― harbl, Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know, i think a ruling on faith-and-credit seems more inevitable, because there are going to start be a kazillion complications from having people married in some states but not in other states.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link
in other words, the exact kind of legal nightmare that the clause very explicitly intends to obviate.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 28 May 2009 01:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Um, what explicitly pissed me off with the Irish one is the government saying in advance that marriage isn't going to happen despite the massive support in its favour.
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Thursday, 28 May 2009 09:08 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gUUXsl3sakXbS8W1AYb4xSxxEMIgD98JE1IG0
lol this isn't even on CNN.com yet
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
i think at this point the media just assumes everyone north of new haven is in a gay marriage.
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/12/741817/-Obama-on-DOMA:-He-IS-Keeping-A-Promise
vs
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/what-was-obama-thinking.html
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 13 June 2009 01:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Dan Savage calls for civil disobedience. I'm almost ready to join him.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 June 2009 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Go for broke, I figure.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 June 2009 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Still mad at Savage for his scapegoating black people in the wake of Prop 8.
― keep your penis out that's hilarious (The Reverend), Friday, 19 June 2009 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Gays too busy mourning MJ to be pissed off about this?
― And the biggest self of self is, indeed, self (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 June 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Why would gays be pissed off by the Vice-President pledging to push harder on issues that affect them?
― get money fuck witches (HI DERE), Friday, 26 June 2009 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link
cuz they'd been talking for months about how they were going to boycott this event and make a big stink at it about Obama's lack of action?
― And the biggest self of self is, indeed, self (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 June 2009 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link
from all the talk previously this was shaping up to be a PR nightmare for Obama, but now its completely buried
50 of them did protest and called gay representatives "gay Uncle Toms" (which kind of points up how ppl should really read source material and not just be lazy parrots but that's another argument)
― get money fuck witches (HI DERE), Friday, 26 June 2009 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link
called gay representatives "gay Uncle Toms"
wow, I'm sure these people have the best of intentions but they really can go fuck themselves
― im white beyonce (The Reverend), Friday, 26 June 2009 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link
right there with you on that
― get money fuck witches (HI DERE), Friday, 26 June 2009 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link
ppl should really read source material
I know, right? Uncle Tom was totally gay.
― bad crack (Eric H.), Friday, 26 June 2009 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link
'Gay Excorcism'
― And the biggest self of self is, indeed, self (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 June 2009 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
lolz was "house homos" already taken
― And the biggest self of self is, indeed, self (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 June 2009 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link
just view it like the 100% wrong use of "immaculate conception" for "virgin birth"
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 27 June 2009 01:03 (fourteen years ago) link
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/08/massachusetts-takes-aim-at-federal-definition-of-marriage/#more-59669
― Sleep Causes Cancer (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 July 2009 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link
DC, WE TAKIN OVER
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050501618.html
― spaghetti and fried bumblebees (donna rouge), Wednesday, 8 July 2009 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link
DADT to be taken up by Senate committees this fall
― girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 July 2009 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Maggie Gallagher, I love you:
The Borg Blinks [Maggie Gallagher]
In "The Carrie Effect," I point out that gay-marriage advocates are like the Borg. Resistance is futile.
― Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 July 2009 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
LA Times interviews Ted Olson about gay marriage.
― Heric E. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2009 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Clinton has "changed his mind" about gay marriage and is now no longer against it. Gee thanks a lot douchebag.
― man, motherfuck a paddington bear (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 September 2009 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Way to put your figer to the wind, there, Bill.
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Friday, 25 September 2009 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20091104/pl_cq_politics/politics3239042
really, really disheartening
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 4 November 2009 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link
On the other hand, it wasn't exactly a landslide.
― I yanked that sucker hard, and work it did. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I feel a sense of regional shame that New England is viewed as the most receptive area of the country to gay couples and not, oh, CALIFORNIA. wtf
― I forgot my mantra (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
wtf is wrong with people?
― carne asada, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
This one's been making the rounds and is very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2nsGtd7y3c
― cough syrup in coke cans (Eric H.), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I think this is really a misnomer, as disappointed as I was by the results on Prop 8.
The Bay Area - alright, probably pretty receptive to gay rights.
But where else? Los Angeles, with its HUGE conservative Latino population? San Diego? The Central Valley? The Central Coast? Up North?
None of these areas are very politically liberal when it comes to social issues.
― Ultraviolet Thunder (B.L.A.M.), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link
really surprised by this...
― feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes! You and your god have won! Hooray!
http://i.imgur.com/FDFx2.jpg
Fucking retards.
― StanM, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link
smh
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 4 November 2009 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link
So that old lady who's kneeling in thanksgiving, we're pretty much just waiting for her and her kind to die, right?
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I realize she's someone's mother, sister, but personally, I hope that day is soon.
So angry.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link
However!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/us/04washington.html
― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link