Octopath Traveler (Nintendo Switch 2018)

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I mean Quicken.

devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 04:15 (one year ago) link

if you think this game has a lot of text/dialogue, you should avoid every other jrpg made since about 2003

ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 04:24 (one year ago) link

I am aware of all jrpg traditions, but it’s been a long time since I played one on a big screen where other people (namely, my 7yo) can watch

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:08 (one year ago) link

dunkey rates this

||||||||, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:56 (one year ago) link

Played first 10 hours of this, good stuff. One of the kids just said "crivvens" which made me lol. Would play a FF5/6 remake in this engine.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:06 (one year ago) link

dunkey hates jrpgs in general

ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:16 (one year ago) link

I'm at like 35 hours and running out of steam now, haven't finished any of the stories yet but am about to attempt Alfyn's finale with a slightly underlevelled party. this game has not changed my theory that 6 is the ideal jrpg crew size, 8 is pretty common but always feels like it's stretching it.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:39 (one year ago) link

have you been trying to level everyone equally or mostly sticking with a core 4 and just switching in and out for stories?

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:44 (one year ago) link

I've been using a core 2 and rotating the other 2 slots such that I have good coverage of weapon types and buffs/debuffs. the core 2 are level 45 now which is the recommended level for the last chapters, most everyone else is in the 30s and then poor Cyrus is still at 22

ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:55 (one year ago) link

Cyrus is my first character and tbh getting that free weakness every fight is pretty great. I walked up to my first chapter 2 boss yesterday with a party at levels 14-20 or so and got my face melted off.

devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:59 (one year ago) link

yeah I built Tressa as a scholar early on and liked it enough to stick with her which made Cyrus redundant. merchant has some good defensive abilities for glass cannon casters and the 4th merchant passive is halved SP costs so you can just spam the double hit spells once you have that.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:12 (one year ago) link

I like how guessable a lot of the weaknesses are once you've seen enough of them - bow or lightning against flying enemies, fire against plant enemies, holy against undead, lance against armored stuff, etc. it's pretty consistent at meeting my expectations, and then they always are sorted in the same order so the remaining ones get progressively easier to guess

ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:24 (one year ago) link

don't quote me on these but I think the sort orders are:
sword lance axe dagger bow staff
fire ice lightning wind light dark

more confident on the elements than the weapons

ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:29 (one year ago) link

I've been using a core 2 and rotating the other 2 slots such that I have good coverage of weapon types and buffs/debuffs

yeah this is me too. Theroin/Cyrus are my mains. Cyrus elemental magic just too powerful, at this point he can one-shot many random battles in the areas surrounding Chapter 2s. did Cyrus's Ch2 last night, thought it was pretty great (levels in 30-35). the evil sorcerer capturing people & making blood crystals makes a great villain.

Ophelia's is next. i would have done that last night too but i stumbled on a random dungeon and spent some time in there. i like how this game has so much optional explorable territory. almost feels closer to Secret of Mana or Zelda w its explorable open world.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 14:12 (one year ago) link

finished Alfyn's story last night. it was fine. so far there's still only been one truly unexpected story beat in the game.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 14:46 (one year ago) link

I now find all the complaining people did about how the stories supposedly don't link up at the end pretty funny, given that the first 2 that I finished kind of did

ciderpress, Thursday, 26 July 2018 18:50 (one year ago) link

cool! thats nice to hear. tbh i am enjoying the smaller scope.

the game really does things in a cool unique way. it is like going to one of the towns in one of the older JRPGs and playing as all of the different townspeople. you have the thief, the shopkeeper, the mage, the apothecary, etc.

you can follow the storyline of the hunter, someone who would probably introduce a dungeon to the main hero of a Final Fantasy game or something. you can follow the storyline and fight 4 bosses for the shopkeeper who sells the main hero his newest shiniest sword. this is a more democratic approach to storytelling.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:49 (one year ago) link

it's not like the stories explicitly connect but the game makes it pretty clear there's something mysterious going on behind the scenes that relates to all of them in various ways

ciderpress, Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:29 (one year ago) link

perhaps all the characters sense that they were all created by the same "company", and everything they choose to say seems like it was already chosen for them, somehow

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:31 (one year ago) link

which is kind of more interesting honestly since it lets each one still play out in its own way rather than swerving into the same lane suddenly at the end

ciderpress, Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:33 (one year ago) link

would play a jrpg written by Larry David

Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 27 July 2018 00:14 (one year ago) link

You level up but nothing actually happens to your character?

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 July 2018 00:32 (one year ago) link

Oh wait that’s Crashlands

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 July 2018 05:24 (one year ago) link

So Primrose has this skill called Bewildering Grace that is essentially random, something good might happen like health restored, or something bad like losing SP. I was fighting this boss that was a few levels higher than me, slowly whittling away at its health. It was taking a long time. So occasionally I cast Bewildering Grace just to break up the tedium of the fight, and I was usually getting something good (JP x 2! EXP x 2! Fully restore party SP!). Finally the boss description turned red, I was on the verge of beating him. Let's do Bewildering Grace once more for luck I thought. Primrose summoned a giant mushroom thing that fully healed the boss and buffed his attack and defence, knocked all members of my party's HP down to 1 each and cast a mist that poisoned everyone. Served me right, really.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 27 July 2018 09:27 (one year ago) link

lol. yeah BG is alot of fun. i have gotten JP X 5 and full restore, i have also gotten the full restore for the enemies. take me back to the Cait Sith gambling wheel

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 27 July 2018 15:47 (one year ago) link

had to take a break from Olberic's chapter 2 (thank u backstage at the Colosseum save spot). it is very cool! i love the Colosseum stuff, the bit where they introduce all the people you will be fighting, and the crowd is yelling for their favorites. didn't realize there were going to be so many battles but this is really cool.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:01 (one year ago) link

that's the only chapter in the game that breaks the standard structure. i liked it. the promoter girl is my favorite side character

ciderpress, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:53 (one year ago) link

lol I gotta grind so bad apparently

devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 02:40 (one year ago) link

Holding out longer against my first chapter 2 boss but still falling to AoE eventually. Might swap out Alfyn for Ophilia for this boss because she can heal the whole party without me having to find ingredients for Concoct but she’s not even close to my MC’s level since I picked her up last. What to do.

devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 02:42 (one year ago) link

can always make someone in your party a cleric, i can't imagine getting through most of the later bosses without Heal More

ciderpress, Saturday, 28 July 2018 04:48 (one year ago) link

i've finished 5 of the 8 stories now, will finish up tomorrow and then probably bail on the postgame stuff because 50 hours is enough for now

ciderpress, Saturday, 28 July 2018 04:52 (one year ago) link

I haven’t gone around poking at all the chapter 2 areas, just this one, so I have only gotten the thief shrine so far. I may need to go shrine hunting.

devops mom (silby), Saturday, 28 July 2018 05:05 (one year ago) link

ciderpress is one of my favorite posters right up until he gets way ahead of me at every video game ever

El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 July 2018 05:16 (one year ago) link

whoops sorry

its only rpgs that i get obsessive about really

ciderpress, Saturday, 28 July 2018 05:19 (one year ago) link

I’m just jealous of your spare time. Grass is green and brown everywhere

El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 July 2018 05:30 (one year ago) link

I have made a terrible mistake and chosen H’aanit as my second party member. Would you have guessed the only people more pretentious than the frostbound flame-worshipping priests were the hunters who live in the woods and keep leopards as pets? I would not have made such a guess.

I do like that my two options when meeting people are 1. force them to fight for me 2. sic my animals on them

El Tomboto, Sunday, 29 July 2018 06:50 (one year ago) link

i liked h'aanit fine but she's probably the weakest link in the cast yeah

you should backtrack and go in the other direction, cyrus and tressa are the best

ciderpress, Sunday, 29 July 2018 15:11 (one year ago) link

Too late, I am committen to followeth a counter-clockwise octopath

El Tomboto, Sunday, 29 July 2018 16:05 (one year ago) link

you're the ohtapotc traveller

ciderpress, Sunday, 29 July 2018 16:07 (one year ago) link

arrow rain is always nice to have around. it can help you break enemies quick

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 29 July 2018 16:39 (one year ago) link

yeah i meant weakest link character wise, the 8 base classes are really well balanced imo

ciderpress, Sunday, 29 July 2018 16:44 (one year ago) link

dunkey hated this and he is right what a generic boring jrpg

Mordy, Sunday, 29 July 2018 16:55 (one year ago) link

dunkey hates all jrpgs so thats not surprising

ciderpress, Sunday, 29 July 2018 17:04 (one year ago) link

your excellency

Karl Malone, Sunday, 29 July 2018 17:11 (one year ago) link

i warned you guys it's a game with random encounters, grinding, and a terrible story/characters. maybe you've all found some value in the combat but i couldn't figure out why it was worth my while.

Mordy, Sunday, 29 July 2018 17:27 (one year ago) link

also dunkey liked persona 5 iirc so dude isn't just a hater

Mordy, Sunday, 29 July 2018 17:28 (one year ago) link

everyone likes persona 5 though. its like the rock critic with a kendrick lamar album in their eoy list. if you're only engaging with the most acclaimed thing in the genre then you're not really engaging with the genre

ciderpress, Sunday, 29 July 2018 17:30 (one year ago) link

it's a very well designed game, particularly the map and locations and the ways of interacting with people, and that alone puts it beyond generic/boring. the characters and story are for the most part fine (outside of the cleric), above average for the genre ime anyway. the combat system is the most generic thing on the surface but they really hit a sweet spot, i'm still thinking about just why it does work so well. but there's something about jrpgs where, for all that they cleave to formula, personal experience varies wildly from game to game and if someone doesn't get a good feeling off the bat it's a fool's errand to try to talk them round.

fwiw i thought the dunkey video was uncharacteristically low on substance and lols and definitely came over as someone wanting to pull out an old axe for a fresh grind

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2018 17:55 (one year ago) link

dunkey is funny but his inclinations are basically the opposite of mine.

it's a game with random encounters, grinding, and a terrible story/characters

That is what I paid for. You may also know me as the guy who paid for Cat Quest, Lowlander and Lowlander 2: Lowerlander for the iPhone and enjoyed all of them.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 29 July 2018 18:02 (one year ago) link

i guess my final review of this game would go something like this:

excellent RPG system (both combat and the npc interactions)
excellent music
good presentation
characters and stories are a mixed bag, i thought tressa's was the best overall despite (because of?) having the smallest scope, h'aanit and therion were the worst, the rest were fine but only had a few great moments
i didn't burn out on the repetitive structure but i was playing in short sessions of 1-2 chapters at a time, i suspect this falls apart more if you marathon it. it lays its bones barer than most RPGs
i say this about most RPGs but overall the game is a bit too long for its scope, i think 6 characters would have been better for the structure/length though the combat system gets a lot of mileage out of those extra 2 jobs

ciderpress, Sunday, 29 July 2018 18:18 (one year ago) link

I tried to steal all I could in nobleville but therion's percentage for the good stuff was only 8% :(

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 10 June 2019 14:55 (nine months ago) link

or you can always just give one of the supportive secondaries to an underleveled char e.g. dancer or cleric and have them contribute that way

ciderpress, Monday, 10 June 2019 14:56 (nine months ago) link

it still sucks that the game doesn't have bench exp when almost all other JRPGs have moved to having it in the past 10 years but there's enough of these ways to mitigate it that it's not as bad as it could have been

ciderpress, Monday, 10 June 2019 15:00 (nine months ago) link

Going around the chapter two cities tonight w an under level party was good, grinding without feeling pointless as I open up map and find new cities and shrines. I found the starseer one though and holy fuck

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 10 June 2019 21:44 (nine months ago) link

oh yeah don't bother with the ones in the outer ring yet, those are for the endgame. i think my party was level 40ish when i beat them

ciderpress, Monday, 10 June 2019 23:24 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

I made it to the final boss last night, and it sucked. I haven't lost yet, maybe I can win it, but it's so tedious that I don't think I want to. I just put the machine to sleep after about half an hour, realizing that I have to somehow coordinate killing the dumb nodes it grows. Ah well, the game was pretty good until here! My party ended up in the 58-65 range, with Ophelia, my main, pushing 75 I think.

L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 08:28 (eight months ago) link

its more of a postgame challenge boss than a final boss. there's no dramatic conclusion or anything after it.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:17 (eight months ago) link

Cool

Any suggestions on another rpg on switch or ps4 if I dug this?

L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:20 (eight months ago) link

which elements of this are you looking for? turn-based? 'retro'?

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:30 (eight months ago) link

turn based, retro not a pro or con really

L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:32 (eight months ago) link

I should add that I haven't played a Final Fantasy since II. I played Dragon Quest IV and V on DS a while back, but I don't know that series otherwise.

L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:38 (eight months ago) link

dragon quest XI is pretty good, its on ps4 and has a switch version coming out in a couple months

the FF games on switch are all from the PSX/PS2 era and i don't know those ones very well

ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:50 (eight months ago) link

FFX is turn based but very linear, FFXII is not turn based but really interesting imo
most of the modern turn based JRPGS that I liked were on 3DS, going to take a while for them to turn up on Switch

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:02 (eight months ago) link


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