quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

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ohhhh-oh
i'm conservative
vegan and conservative
i'm a whiny shit in new yorrrrrrk

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 July 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link

Ms. Porter, who is against abortion rights, was moved.

jmm, Monday, 23 July 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link

(cont.) “I couldn’t believe how inconsistent my belief systems were. I opened the refrigerator and saw milk in there, and I was disgusted,” she said.

Yerac, Monday, 23 July 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link

lol bg

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link

The groom in this couple is not only a conservative vegan, he's a conservative vegan from a sufficiently religious family that his parents wouldn't show up to see him marry a Catholic.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:57 (five years ago) link

lmao owned

devops mom (silby), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

Jeet's threadin' again

1. Let's talk about what a cesspool of corruption the New York Times op-ed page has become under James Bennet.

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) November 22, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 22 November 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

The duo arrived late in the summer, with a rent in the low $4,000s and their parents on the lease. The amenity fee was waived.

there it is, saved for very close to the end - the nyt is such a tease

“I'm the sexy gorilla and I'm going to hell“ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:02 (five years ago) link

i love that they just have to be walking distance from Juilliard

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:06 (five years ago) link

i think my favourite part is the caption under the picture of their dolls-house-sized living room which reads 'The apartment came with big windows, a kitchen peninsula with seating, and a surprisingly large bathroom'

YES BUT IT COSTS FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH

also the caption omits the kicker from the same line in the story itself, which admits they bisected the living room to make a second bedroom

“I'm the sexy gorilla and I'm going to hell“ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:12 (five years ago) link

That reads like such an advertisement for The Max.

Yerac, Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:19 (five years ago) link

In the winter, they brave the wind whipping from the Hudson as they walk to school. “It is not the best scenic route,” Ms. Pineda said. “But we dancers love walking because we love to find any way to work out and warm up.”

truly they are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb4C7vSByMM

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:25 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

(Not the New Yorker but) they're squeezing some real crocodile tears out of me here:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/19/american-airlines-aairpass-golden-ticket

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 20 September 2019 08:11 (four years ago) link

i read the first part of that and i was like 'lol there's no fucking way i'm ever gonna feel sorry for a bear stearns exec who spent a quarter of a million dollars on an infinite amount of an indefensible form of travel and then another $150k to add a second traveller'

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 September 2019 08:59 (four years ago) link

“It took away my mobility. It took away my hobby. I thought that I could go to Sweden for the weekend in July and pick up flowers when I was 70.”

“And now?” I ask.

“I can’t do that, can I?”

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 20 September 2019 11:11 (four years ago) link

Ugh I just read that whole thing.

I wonder what % of AirPass purchasers were women. And if they tried to pull any of the entitled shit that guy did.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 20 September 2019 12:02 (four years ago) link

waaaaahhhh i can't go pick flowers on the other side of the world using a form of transport that will all but guarantee there won't BE any flowers there by the time my grandkids are my age waaaaahhhhh

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 September 2019 12:04 (four years ago) link

i mean if i'd made a few mill working for gordon gekko in the 80s i could see this happening to me. at a much lower price point, moviepass demonstrated how quickly i might reorient my entire lifestyle if something normally expensive became effectively free. that piece is a slog though - i remember reading one of the exposes a few years back, finding it fascinating, and also it not taking half an hour.

weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Friday, 20 September 2019 12:10 (four years ago) link

xxp I mean tbf this prick was legitimately, literally "entitled" to that ticket and anybody who has ever had to deal w/ American Airlines knows they are straight sinister

the question is were there any women who felt empowered enough to preserve this same absurd entitlement

no good guys here

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 20 September 2019 12:24 (four years ago) link

Idk the whole piece is literally “man relies on airline employees more than his own family and is shocked when the airline realises its a business”. Not only the thing with the flights, but phoning agents up to talk for hours on end?!

gyac, Friday, 20 September 2019 13:50 (four years ago) link

idk, I mean here’s a guy who worked his way up from the bottom of the wallet business his dad bought and now he’s lost everything

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 20 September 2019 13:52 (four years ago) link

The entitled thing I mean is the shot like booking an extra seat under a falw name so he didn’t have to suffer the insult of a seat mate. In first class.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 20 September 2019 18:17 (four years ago) link

Shit not shot

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 20 September 2019 18:17 (four years ago) link

I mean he was clearly gaming the system, two courts affirmed this, and now he and his family are handwringing that he was robbed of his identity, meaning of his life, etc. also he can obviously go to the Netherlands for flowers on his birthday by buying a ticket, duh. He hasn’t been banned from flying.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 20 September 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

finally got around to reading this and yikes

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 20:21 (four years ago) link

the author is, of course, a tantalizing and refreshing avant garde performer of spoken word poetry who has been mesmerizing audiences for years

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link

I just feel like complaining somewhere about having been clickbaited by this.

It’s Time to Take Down the Mona Lisa in order to give it its own space

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/arts/design/mona-lisa-louvre-overcrowding.html

jmm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link

this doesn't really fit here because certainly the writer is in on the silliness

Don't Excite This Brain
By NELLIE BOWLES

SAN FRANCISCO -- Everything was going really well for the men of Tennessee Street. Women wanted to talk to them, investors wanted to invest, their new site got traffic, phones were buzzing, their Magic: The Gathering cards were appreciating. This all was exactly the problem.

They tried to tamp the pleasure. They would not eat for days (intermittent fasting). They would eschew screens (digital detox). It was not enough. Life was still so good and pleasurable.

And so they came to the root of it: dopamine, a neurotransmitter that is involved in how we feel pleasure. The three of them -- all in their mid-20s and founders of SleepWell, a sleep analysis start-up -- needed to go on a dopamine fast.

''We're addicted to dopamine,'' said James Sinka, who of the three fellows is the most exuberant about their new practice. ''And because we're getting so much of it all the time, we end up just wanting more and more, so activities that used to be pleasurable now aren't. Frequent stimulation of dopamine gets the brain's baseline higher.''

There is a growing dopamine-avoidance community in town and the concept has quickly captivated the media.

Dr. Cameron Sepah is a start-up investor, professor at UCSF Medical School and dopamine faster. He uses the fasting as a technique in clinical practice with his clients, especially, he said, tech workers and venture capitalists.

The name -- dopamine fasting -- is a bit of a misnomer. It's more of a stimulation fast. But the name works well enough, Dr. Sepah said.

''Dopamine is just a mechanism that explains how addictions can become reinforced, and makes for a catchy title,'' he wrote in an email. ''The title's not to be taken literally.''

On a recent cool morning, Mr. Sinka and his start-up co-founder Andrew Fleischer, both 24 years old, were beginning their fast while Alberto Scicali, 26, another founder, managed the start-up from his bedroom.

Mr. Sinka, who has a mop of curly hair, was wearing water shoes and a cable-knit sweater as he did light morning stretching. Mr. Fleischer was reading a book.

A dopamine fast is simple because it is basically a fast of everything.

They would not be eating. They would not look at any screens. They would not listen to music. They would not exercise. They would not touch other bodies for any reason, especially not for sex. No work. No eye contact. No talking more than absolutely necessary. A photographer could take their picture, but there could be no flash.

The number of things to not do is potentially endless.

The ultimate dopamine fast is complete sensory deprivation, like maybe floating in a dark water tank or locking oneself in a closet. But the dopamine fasters of San Francisco do hope to keep existing in the normal world.

''Any kind of fasting exists on a spectrum,'' Mr. Sinka said as he slowly moved through sun salutations, careful not to get his heart racing too much, already worried he was talking too much that morning.

Mr. Fleischer was looking through a textbook of images of chemical compounds and then writing some of them down in his notebook.

''I like to find patterns in chemical compounds, and so I'm going through my books and finding quite a few,'' he said.

That is how he would spend his morning. Later he would move outside to sit and feel the air for a while.

The three of them graduated recently from the Rochester Institute of Technology, where they met and started working together. Their start-up was going through evolutions every few months. It began as a coffee extraction company that turned into a cannabinoid extraction company (much more profitable) that turned into a cannabinoid synthesis for sleep aid that turned into, now, sleep coaching.

Their job is to put their clients in various sleep gadgetry -- the Dreem sleep headset, Oura sleep ring, Withings sleep mat -- and test interventions.

Their apartment is clean and modern with an empty wine fridge and few decorations, save for a ''Breaking Bad'' poster.

Their usual schedule of all day, every day hacking away on different projects was too much. Investors and clients had demands. Their start-up iterations had turned into a real job.

''I'd never thought about fasting work,'' Mr. Sinka said. ''Once there was pressure around work, though, it became less fun, and I thought maybe we'll try fasting work.''

Like a weekend? No, he said, they don't have time to not work for that long.

But fasting from work got them thinking more about fasting everything.

Throughout that day of their dopamine fast, they wandered slowly from room to room. They read. They put on more and more sweaters. The food fasting makes them cold. They went on walks, though these are tricky because they have to avoid needing to ask for anything like water or bathrooms.

''I avoid eye contact because I know it excites me. I avoid busy streets because they're jarring,'' Mr. Sinka said. ''I have to fight the waves of delicious foods.''

Silicon Valley is not the first group to discover that moderating emotions or spending periods trying to feel less can lead to happiness. In their quest, they are moving toward two very old groups: those in silent meditation and the Amish.

Steven Nolt, a professor at Elizabethtown College in Pennsylvania and the author of ''A History of the Amish,'' said parts of the dopamine fast do echo elements of Amish life.

''Compared with many of the rest of us, you would find Amish emotion to be more muted,'' Dr. Nolte said. ''The idea of limits on life, that there should be limits and yield signs, is a pretty central Amish assumption.''

But ultimately the Amish would not approve of the dopamine fasters.

''They don't have a great deal of confidence in individuals on their own making good decisions,'' he said.

Karen Donovan, who is developing a new Vipassana silent meditation center in Silicon Valley, said she sees this trend as moving closer to the ultimate dopamine fast: sitting on a dark floor with eyes closed for 10 days.

''There's a growing self-awareness of what in Vipassana terms we would call suffering,'' she said.

As the day wore on at Tennessee Street, Mr. Sinka, now wearing a thick vest, continued to hang out at home doing basically nothing.

''Your brain and your biology have become adapted to high levels of stimulus so our project is to reset those receptors so you're satiated again,'' he said.

Mr. Sinka returned to resting.

''Yeah, man, drop down that cortisol,'' Mr. Scicali said as encouragement.

After the fast, Mr. Sinka finds that everyday tasks are more exciting and fun. Work is pleasurable again. Food is more delicious.

''Biology can get hijacked,'' Mr. Sinka said, noting that ''early homo sapiens'' didn't have much in the way of sweets -- blueberries and the like.

Sometimes it is hard or upsetting for people who encounter the Tennessee Street men while they are fasting.

The other day, Mr. Sinka ran into an old friend but had to tell her they could not continue speaking.

''I hadn't seen her in six months, and it was extraordinarily exciting, super-stimulating, and I could feel how excited I was,'' he said. ''So I had to cut it off and I just said, 'Listen, it's not you, it's me, doing this dopamine fast.'''

ت (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 November 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link

Cool, tech bros invented the silent meditation retreat.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 8 November 2019 00:00 (four years ago) link

Some of them should try that thing where Buddhist monks mummified themselves while alive.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 8 November 2019 00:00 (four years ago) link

What is Tennessee Street referring to? Is it metonymical like Wall Street? Is it the name of a company?

mick signals, Friday, 8 November 2019 00:15 (four years ago) link

it's a street that runs through Dogpatch in SF, maybe it's where the start-up is located

Dan S, Friday, 8 November 2019 00:22 (four years ago) link

Cameron Sepah, the quack behind dopamine fasting, is currently throwing a hissy fit in the comments section here (he's "goactualize"): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21478759

Dan I., Friday, 8 November 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link

Actually, that's putting it too strongly, sorry. I got my hackles up

Dan I., Friday, 8 November 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link

he gets sonned a couple of times in there

ت (jim in vancouver), Friday, 8 November 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link

that writer is bari weiss’ gf. speaking of being in on jokes

maura, Saturday, 9 November 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link

feel that rates a heyyooo but i'm on dopamine fast

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 9 November 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link

kidding aside this is basically just Stupid Mindfulness right?
which given that Mindfulness is already Stupid Mindfulness just ugh wash them all into the sea...

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 9 November 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link

this is surely of a piece with restrictive diets/fasting, no fap, and the like as well? there's a christopher lasch style book or something here to be written about the protestant ethic (asceticism) adapting to a culture of abundance. almost a desperate attempt to rescue a sense of ego or control in the fact of the mounting evidence that we are not in control of our everyday behaviors, let alone our lives in general.

ryan, Sunday, 10 November 2019 16:36 (four years ago) link

disappointing results here
https://hairshirt.com/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 10 November 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link

great now you've got my dopamine on overdrive

https://hairshirt.com/images/webtuxedo2.jpg

maffew12, Sunday, 10 November 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Metropolitan Diary: Ticket Talk

Dear Diary:

I was trying to buy tickets to “Slave Play,” and there was a problem with completing my order online. I called an 800 number to resolve the issue.

The woman who answered was very helpful and we had a friendly, chatty exchange. Before completing the transaction she read me a warning: This play contains violence, sexual scenes, nudity, simulated sex, racism and violence.

There was a pause.

“Excellent,” I said quietly.

We both started to laugh.

— Bob Lohrmann

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:20 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

Your Life or Your Livelihood: Americans Wrestle With Impossible Choice

“your money or your life” was RIGHT THERE

not really house style though i guess

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 May 2020 11:39 (three years ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/realestate/a-high-end-building-that-seemed-ideal-for-young-performers.html

Their photograph takes this over the top.

Virginia Plain, Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link

Are we talking like, "The Raid" or "Escape from Cell Block 99"?

Nhex, Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

oops. wrong thread.

Nhex, Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

maybe not

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link


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