i am loving all the environments in this game. the music is solidly amazing too, this is easily one of the better Square RPG soundtracks of the century.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 July 2018 21:19 (one year ago) link
I did not like olberic's voice acting in the demo
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 July 2018 21:26 (one year ago) link
i subclassed tressa as a scholar and now she has a black mage robe and is blasting enemies for thousands of damage with her stupidly named 'trade tempest' spell and then saying pun one liners like 'you got more than you bargained for'. very good
― ciderpress, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:10 (one year ago) link
― ciderpress, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:34 (one year ago) link
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:53 (one year ago) link
ive been using Japanese voices/English text
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 July 2018 10:56 (one year ago) link
I play all games with english voices unless the dub is really really bad or doesn't exist. Xenoblade 2's dub was heavily criticized but was still well above the line for me
― ciderpress, Friday, 20 July 2018 14:13 (one year ago) link
if I'm only gonna get one of Xenoblade or Octopath, which one right now?
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 20 July 2018 14:14 (one year ago) link
do you like big immersive weirdo anime RPGs or cozy retro rpgs? Xenoblade will take you for a ride, Octopath is more about just having a tight RPG system and nice aesthetics. theyre both good and bad in their own ways though Xenoblade is way more unique imo, there's not really anything else like it for better or for worse
― ciderpress, Friday, 20 July 2018 14:58 (one year ago) link
nice, I should probably go for xenoblade for now then
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:11 (one year ago) link
be warned, it's extremely anime
― ciderpress, Friday, 20 July 2018 15:11 (one year ago) link
well I'm gonna alternate this & persona 5 this fall so
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:24 (one year ago) link
ah yeah get both the cool and the uncool sides of the shonen anime rpg experience
― ciderpress, Friday, 20 July 2018 15:30 (one year ago) link
i need to check out Xenoblade someday, it sounds up my alley. it is alongside Ni No Kuni and Beyond Oasis as games i need to play next.
OT is something special tho. i have been playing Final Fantasy XV and at around Chapter 9 just gave up. the level design, while gorgeous, became a nightmare to navigate, the quest system was just a menu of enemies to fight in an alleyway, combat was just holding down a button and moving the camera (it did look amazing, tho, certainly impressive for the first dozen or so hours).
this is easily the better Final Fantasy than that game. it really is like FF3 to me. in that game the character backstories were always a highlight, and it is neat to see those back, aggressively so. after so much confusing multi-syllabic cosmic bullshit, story is back on track, back to being about characters and their relationships.
these aren't incomprehensible CGI cutscenes, they are the classic pixel puppet plays of characters delivering lines of dialog and stage direction. even before FF6 this style of storytelling was in danger of becoming extinct, you had the anime comic book cutscenes of Phantasy Star IV, the animated cutscenes of Lunard and CD-ROM RPGs. especially alongside the Unreal Engine 4 graphical post production, it is almost frustrating how simple the story bits are delivered. but for that reason it must be a considered design choice.
ditching the cinematic realism of modern games, it allows the player to participate in the creative fiction that much more. imo a low resolution rendering of a mountain conjures an imaginative (idealized) image of the mountain in the mind of the gamer, since they are aware of "real" mountains and want to have an idea of how they would look if "real"y existed. this kind of interaction plays across all the low resolution elements of these games, from character models to background tiles to the low-production theatrical-style story bits. RPGs, ROLE playing games, are a particularly effective form of this immersive/interactive storytelling. maybe not as abstract and arcane of a ZORK or a text based but just on the edge of text + still image, putting it alongside books, rather than movies, in that realm of imaginative storytelling.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:36 (one year ago) link
appy polly loggies for all the typos
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:37 (one year ago) link
this is Great
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 22 July 2018 01:55 (one year ago) link
i'm planning on playing this after i finish Hollow Knight
one thing though - i heard that after each character's unique prologue, you're really only playing one character for the rest of the game, other than in battle? is that kind of weird to get way into a character in a prologue and then never hear back from them again afterward except in a generic way? or did i totally hear wrong about all of this?
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 22 July 2018 02:49 (one year ago) link
15 hours in, 1 more character to discover. i am traveling counter-clockwise and just did Alfyn, Primrose, & Olberic's storylines so am wrapping up the first Chapter 1's with Tressa. just 8 of these missions took me 16 hours, and there are 3 more sets of these, meaning this is a big epic game for real.
hmm, actually from reading adam's post above i guess the character-specific structure continues throughout? sorry, i'm probably just asking about something that doesn't even exist, in a very confusing way
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 22 July 2018 02:51 (one year ago) link
Each character has their own four chapter storyline to follow, in which only they appear in cutscenes etc. You can switch between following each character’s story whenever you want, more or less. The first character you pick can’t be removed from your party (until after you beat their last chapter, i have heard?).
― devops mom (silby), Sunday, 22 July 2018 03:04 (one year ago) link
The stories are told as solo character stories despite you having a party with you for combat, maybe that's what you saw. The characters weigh in on each others stories via Tales style optional conversations that pop up, that's the only real party interaction outside of combat.
― ciderpress, Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:26 (one year ago) link
i am just doing my first chapter 2 (Therion's) right now. each character has 4 of these narrative story sequences, each with a dungeon/town. this means 32 story sequences in the game, cutscenes along with towns, NPCs, dungeons, bosses, etc. to go along with them.
storytelling doesn't bother me in the least. every game does not need to have the exact same structure, it is refreshing. and tbh a lot of the older games highlights were just centered around one character and their NPC relationships - think Celes's post-World of Ruin personal drama, Gau's flashback to his relationship w his father, etc.
it is just now this is modularly implemented into an Open World like game where you can customize it to your liking. if you want you can just follow one character's story through to the end, rather than having them come at you in a linear order. the content of the games is more or less the same as it always has been. fwiw i have already seen 2 FFIX-style Active Time Event scenes where you can check in on other party members chatting it up. this is a nontroversy.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:37 (one year ago) link
gotta say i like how story is tied to the geography of the game. you pull up the map and can see where all the story chapters take place. there is fast travel but it's a convenience and you still have to walk to get anywhere - exploring the map is key to uncovering the story.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:46 (one year ago) link
cool, thanks for the explanations!
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 22 July 2018 16:02 (one year ago) link
I started out with Ophilia the Cleric, recruited the blond guy from the tavern with the wind spell, and then got my ass kicked by the first boss who apparently has infinite HP. For the number of encounters and interactive elements involved, was it really necessary for all that to take longer than a fucking Marvel Cinematic Universe entry? Maybe I’ve just been away from “real” JRPGs for too long and I forgot all the tedium. I’m willing to dive back in a few more times but I need someone to tell me that Ophilia has the worst starting story, because if she isn’t, ⌛️
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 22 July 2018 21:54 (one year ago) link
ophilia's story is the least interesting through 2 chapters yeah, though none of them are grand world-saving plots. olberic and primrose's stories feel like they were written by a different person, they're more dramatic than the others.
― ciderpress, Sunday, 22 July 2018 22:31 (one year ago) link
oh Cyrus's is more dramatic too
― ciderpress, Sunday, 22 July 2018 22:32 (one year ago) link
I’m finally enjoying this but the rest of family is still making fun of me for it. “Do they ever stop talking? When is the game?”
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 03:39 (one year ago) link
Some people just don’t like doing the same thing over and over and they are entitled to their preferences I suppose.
― devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 04:13 (one year ago) link
Octopath Traveler’s battle system is like a cross between Magic the Gathering and TurboTax.
― devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 04:15 (one year ago) link
I mean Quicken.
if you think this game has a lot of text/dialogue, you should avoid every other jrpg made since about 2003
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 04:24 (one year ago) link
I am aware of all jrpg traditions, but it’s been a long time since I played one on a big screen where other people (namely, my 7yo) can watch
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:08 (one year ago) link
dunkey rates this
― ||||||||, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:56 (one year ago) link
Played first 10 hours of this, good stuff. One of the kids just said "crivvens" which made me lol. Would play a FF5/6 remake in this engine.
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:06 (one year ago) link
dunkey hates jrpgs in general
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:16 (one year ago) link
I'm at like 35 hours and running out of steam now, haven't finished any of the stories yet but am about to attempt Alfyn's finale with a slightly underlevelled party. this game has not changed my theory that 6 is the ideal jrpg crew size, 8 is pretty common but always feels like it's stretching it.
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:39 (one year ago) link
have you been trying to level everyone equally or mostly sticking with a core 4 and just switching in and out for stories?
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:44 (one year ago) link
I've been using a core 2 and rotating the other 2 slots such that I have good coverage of weapon types and buffs/debuffs. the core 2 are level 45 now which is the recommended level for the last chapters, most everyone else is in the 30s and then poor Cyrus is still at 22
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:55 (one year ago) link
Cyrus is my first character and tbh getting that free weakness every fight is pretty great. I walked up to my first chapter 2 boss yesterday with a party at levels 14-20 or so and got my face melted off.
― devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:59 (one year ago) link
yeah I built Tressa as a scholar early on and liked it enough to stick with her which made Cyrus redundant. merchant has some good defensive abilities for glass cannon casters and the 4th merchant passive is halved SP costs so you can just spam the double hit spells once you have that.
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:12 (one year ago) link
I like how guessable a lot of the weaknesses are once you've seen enough of them - bow or lightning against flying enemies, fire against plant enemies, holy against undead, lance against armored stuff, etc. it's pretty consistent at meeting my expectations, and then they always are sorted in the same order so the remaining ones get progressively easier to guess
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:24 (one year ago) link
don't quote me on these but I think the sort orders are:sword lance axe dagger bow stafffire ice lightning wind light dark
more confident on the elements than the weapons
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:29 (one year ago) link
I've been using a core 2 and rotating the other 2 slots such that I have good coverage of weapon types and buffs/debuffs
yeah this is me too. Theroin/Cyrus are my mains. Cyrus elemental magic just too powerful, at this point he can one-shot many random battles in the areas surrounding Chapter 2s. did Cyrus's Ch2 last night, thought it was pretty great (levels in 30-35). the evil sorcerer capturing people & making blood crystals makes a great villain.
Ophelia's is next. i would have done that last night too but i stumbled on a random dungeon and spent some time in there. i like how this game has so much optional explorable territory. almost feels closer to Secret of Mana or Zelda w its explorable open world.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 14:12 (one year ago) link
finished Alfyn's story last night. it was fine. so far there's still only been one truly unexpected story beat in the game.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 14:46 (one year ago) link
I now find all the complaining people did about how the stories supposedly don't link up at the end pretty funny, given that the first 2 that I finished kind of did
― ciderpress, Thursday, 26 July 2018 18:50 (one year ago) link
cool! thats nice to hear. tbh i am enjoying the smaller scope.
the game really does things in a cool unique way. it is like going to one of the towns in one of the older JRPGs and playing as all of the different townspeople. you have the thief, the shopkeeper, the mage, the apothecary, etc.
you can follow the storyline of the hunter, someone who would probably introduce a dungeon to the main hero of a Final Fantasy game or something. you can follow the storyline and fight 4 bosses for the shopkeeper who sells the main hero his newest shiniest sword. this is a more democratic approach to storytelling.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:49 (one year ago) link
it's not like the stories explicitly connect but the game makes it pretty clear there's something mysterious going on behind the scenes that relates to all of them in various ways
― ciderpress, Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:29 (one year ago) link
perhaps all the characters sense that they were all created by the same "company", and everything they choose to say seems like it was already chosen for them, somehow
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:31 (one year ago) link
which is kind of more interesting honestly since it lets each one still play out in its own way rather than swerving into the same lane suddenly at the end
― ciderpress, Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:33 (one year ago) link
would play a jrpg written by Larry David
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 27 July 2018 00:14 (one year ago) link
was gonna say Alfyn looks rather striking in his cosplay
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 23 September 2018 23:39 (one year ago) link
given that Ophelia is my protagonist, I'm comfortable with my not-entirely-optimal support skills arrangement - there's a ton of fun in this game that's buried in all the different ways you can min/max the PCs.
I also like the cognitive dissonance involved in Thief Tressa and Scholar Alfyn
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 23 September 2018 23:42 (one year ago) link
yeah there arent really any bad combos other than mixing the pure physical and pure caster ones
― ciderpress, Sunday, 23 September 2018 23:58 (one year ago) link
Even with that, it's a grinder, and there are some equipment sets that I can see making those actually viable, albeit not so convenient
― El Tomboto, Monday, 24 September 2018 00:15 (one year ago) link
I’ve made Olberic a cleric and I’m gonna keep trying to make that work
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 24 September 2018 00:19 (one year ago) link
just as long as you understand that as soon as you're out of the picture he's going to move to Central America and become a bartender and barely even talk to his family anymore
― El Tomboto, Monday, 24 September 2018 01:02 (one year ago) link
Dancin' Olberic with Eye for an Eye equipped is lots of fun when a foe uses a multiple strike technique on him. The first time it happened I thought the game had hiccuped
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 20:19 (one year ago) link
obv any character with that skill does the same thing but when it's Olberic it def feels like cheating, e.g. they shoot him with 4 arrows for like 120 damage tops and then it's just murder time
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 27 September 2018 01:32 (one year ago) link
I dunno 'bout you fellas but if I were the king of the lizardmen I'd feel pretty fucking embarrassed gettin' cut to shreds by a nun, two dancers, a druggist and some rando amateur travelin' pastry chef
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 30 September 2018 03:52 (one year ago) link
It's rare, in my experience, that RPG level-up events coincide in cinematic fashion with RPG narrative events, so it seems necessary to memorialize what just happened:
- Olberic got enough JP in his 3rd chapter dungeon to get the Warrior's Divine Skill- I decided to let him build BP while stacking physical attack buffs (if you played this game without providing Olberic the opportunity to pursue his dreams as a dancer, you missed out)- thanks to Eye for an Eye, he got the Break right on time- Brand's Thunder, Erhardt eats it
I love this game.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 30 September 2018 04:43 (one year ago) link
I finished all the chapters 2 and I have Cyrus at 35, a couple people at 30, the rest 24-27 or so. Probably just going to do miscellaneous grinding and shopping for another session or two. Most of the sidequests are too enigmatic to really be able to just sit down and try to solve some so that’s not really gonna help much.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 6 October 2018 03:33 (one year ago) link
My partner managed to kill a Cait in one lucky fight where she had a surprise round a while ago, some of her dudes leveled up like twice.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:13 (one year ago) link
i played this game for almost 60 hours and never managed to kill one of those
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:13 (one year ago) link
might grab this in the EU e-shop sale
can you turn off random encounters?
― there are no good podcasts (||||||||), Monday, 24 December 2018 15:53 (one year ago) link
― ciderpress, Monday, 24 December 2018 17:22 (one year ago) link
sounds like it’s not that much of an issue because the battle system is so good
― there are no good podcasts (||||||||), Monday, 24 December 2018 17:24 (one year ago) link
Yeah this is a game primarily about hanging out with the battle system. I've found that you don't necessarily have to spend extra time leveling up your guys to beat bosses, as long as you don't have a mental block around burning through recovery items. (I did before I started playing this game lol)
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 24 December 2018 17:34 (one year ago) link
reading this thread has given me much relief as i am about 11 hours in, have 7/8 characters through chapter 1, and was genuinely concerned that none of these 8 people were going to ever interact with each other/would just endlessly travel from solo plot to solo plot, never speaking, never explaining why they're together, just an archipelago of every-man's-an-islands forever taking a knee while anything significant happens in their walkmates' lives
― suggest boban (Will M.), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:32 (one year ago) link
there's some tales skit style conversations in chapter 2 onwards but outside of those it's as you describe
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:36 (one year ago) link
ah nuts. well at least there's the little skits, better than nothing
― suggest boban (Will M.), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:37 (one year ago) link
this is out on steam in june, surprising since i figured nintendo had partially funded it but i guess not
― ciderpress, Monday, 15 April 2019 17:19 (ten months ago) link
I'm finally playing this, have finished all the first chapters & just Therion's chapter 2. Do I need to grind all my characters to the same level more or less? It seems like it because Therion, at only level 15, sucked in the chapter 2 battles. And the other ones not in my primary party thus far suck too. I don't really just want to grind the underleveled characters in non story parts if I don't have to, but do I have to?
― L'assie (Euler), Monday, 10 June 2019 14:33 (eight months ago) link
and if I do have to grind random encounters, is there some reliable place to do so? I was in the desert yesterday boringly grindingly away, but I can't keep doing that, it will drive me batty.
― L'assie (Euler), Monday, 10 June 2019 14:34 (eight months ago) link
you do have to grind a bit because it doesn't have bench exp yeah. definitely the worst part of the game. you can kind of circumvent it by having 3 'main' party members carry a rotating 4th underleveled one through their stories. the postgame superboss is the only thing where you need to grind all 8 chars up to high level and that's totally optional if you're not a completionist, i checked out before it.
― ciderpress, Monday, 10 June 2019 14:38 (eight months ago) link
I did the rotating 4th under leveled one on therion chapter 2 & I beat the boss but it took an hour!
― L'assie (Euler), Monday, 10 June 2019 14:43 (eight months ago) link
did you find the secondary job shrines yet? chapter 2 bosses and onward are tuned expecting your chars to have those
― ciderpress, Monday, 10 June 2019 14:44 (eight months ago) link
I just found the mage one! near the therion town. I haven't been looking for the others yet, sounds like I should.
― L'assie (Euler), Monday, 10 June 2019 14:46 (eight months ago) link
Ophilia is my main & I gave her the mage second & with 200 spell points she's now a capable master
also equips, especially weapons, are more powerful than levels in this game, so seeking out good ones from npcs in the chapter 2 towns may be worth the time. iirc you can hand a strong weapon to an underleveled char and they'll contribute decently as long as they're not so low level that they're getting one-shot.
― ciderpress, Monday, 10 June 2019 14:54 (eight months ago) link
I tried to steal all I could in nobleville but therion's percentage for the good stuff was only 8% :(
― L'assie (Euler), Monday, 10 June 2019 14:55 (eight months ago) link
or you can always just give one of the supportive secondaries to an underleveled char e.g. dancer or cleric and have them contribute that way
― ciderpress, Monday, 10 June 2019 14:56 (eight months ago) link
it still sucks that the game doesn't have bench exp when almost all other JRPGs have moved to having it in the past 10 years but there's enough of these ways to mitigate it that it's not as bad as it could have been
― ciderpress, Monday, 10 June 2019 15:00 (eight months ago) link
Going around the chapter two cities tonight w an under level party was good, grinding without feeling pointless as I open up map and find new cities and shrines. I found the starseer one though and holy fuck
― L'assie (Euler), Monday, 10 June 2019 21:44 (eight months ago) link
oh yeah don't bother with the ones in the outer ring yet, those are for the endgame. i think my party was level 40ish when i beat them
― ciderpress, Monday, 10 June 2019 23:24 (eight months ago) link
I made it to the final boss last night, and it sucked. I haven't lost yet, maybe I can win it, but it's so tedious that I don't think I want to. I just put the machine to sleep after about half an hour, realizing that I have to somehow coordinate killing the dumb nodes it grows. Ah well, the game was pretty good until here! My party ended up in the 58-65 range, with Ophelia, my main, pushing 75 I think.
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 08:28 (seven months ago) link
its more of a postgame challenge boss than a final boss. there's no dramatic conclusion or anything after it.
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:17 (seven months ago) link
CoolAny suggestions on another rpg on switch or ps4 if I dug this?
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:20 (seven months ago) link
which elements of this are you looking for? turn-based? 'retro'?
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:30 (seven months ago) link
turn based, retro not a pro or con really
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:32 (seven months ago) link
I should add that I haven't played a Final Fantasy since II. I played Dragon Quest IV and V on DS a while back, but I don't know that series otherwise.
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:38 (seven months ago) link
dragon quest XI is pretty good, its on ps4 and has a switch version coming out in a couple months
the FF games on switch are all from the PSX/PS2 era and i don't know those ones very well
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:50 (seven months ago) link
FFX is turn based but very linear, FFXII is not turn based but really interesting imo most of the modern turn based JRPGS that I liked were on 3DS, going to take a while for them to turn up on Switch
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:02 (seven months ago) link