ILX Gonna Shine in My Backdoor Someday (new post-Fahey folk for ppl posting in Takoma/Tompkins Square threads Pt II)

I'm ten minutes into Invocation and this is just the big belly laugh of cosmic American music I didn't know I needed.

It sounded great on first listen.

Bachman is amazing so far, kind of hard to digest at work but yeah this is very cool
I had very high hopes after his 1000 Rose fest set

mine is showing up soon I hope, looking forward to it

i really enjoyed it, i admit i hope ogmor hates it though because i love reading his writing

lol
yeah, the new one is worth sinking your teeth into — glad to see bachman getting weird.

bachman goin straight up drone!!

i'm glad, i haven't liked any of his intervening albums as much as seven pines, which always struck me as very droney for a fingerpicking record

oh man this is fabulous, on my second listen now due to granddaughter invasion/chaos in the house distracting me from the 1st runthrough

it's so sparse and slow compared to earlier stuff like Seven Pines

I think the collaborators on this, both actual (folks playing fiddle/bowls/shruti box etc.) and environmental (insects/cars/trains/radio orators), allow that space in a lot of ways. It is way easier to sit back and let you playing breathe when you aren't solely responsible for generating all of the sound. Also of course he has shifted and changed things up over time (and is older) so I am sure some of this is just the passage of time settling into the playing. But yeah, I love the slow ones, and am lucky to have seen some of this stuff develop live over the last couple of years. There are a lot of folks who have delved into this territory over the years but I think Bachman is making it his own too. Hope he continues down this road for a while.

really loving the Bachman, the sound is almost like field recordings, love as you said the outdoor feel and space

this is probably the opposite of what he should do if he wants to be successful but i love it artistically

I think he has given up on being "successful" for the time being, i.e., having music be the only thing he is doing and appealing to as wide an audience as possible. Note that he is getting tons of positive reviews, pretty much every magazine/site that still covers this kind of thing has weighed in. I would guess he sells more, or about as many, copies of this record as any others of his, but still point taken. Opening the album with a 19 minute track is certainly not a populist move hah hah.

Oddly enough I have been recording a ton of tracks outside in Virginia with the bugs and environmental sounds kicking in. Pretty much all moot now that Daniel has laid this out there for the world to hear (same bugs even, as we live pretty close to each other in Virginia!)

I think he has given up on being "successful" for the time being, i.e., having music be the only thing he is doing and appealing to as wide an audience as possible. Note that he is getting tons of positive reviews, pretty much every magazine/site that still covers this kind of thing has weighed in. I would guess he sells more, or about as many, copies of this record as any others of his, but still point taken. Opening the album with a 19 minute track is certainly not a populist move hah hah.

― grandavis, Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:34 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh yeah i think you're probably right, i just feel like some of these dudes could decide to "pull a kottke" so to speak and go for the guitar magazine/guitar enthusiast crowd, he certainly has the ability to do so, that can be a very lucrative little niche

Yeah he probably could, but he is certainly not wired that way. I mean, I live in a town lousy with Kottke (and like Pierre Bensusan)-worshipping folk/bluegrass/old-time acoustic shred enthusiasts, and none of those folks show up to any of the Bachman shows here. Well, there was one show maybe 3-4 years ago with Nathan Bowles where it seemed some acoustic shred heads were there, and I know this because one of them asked for their money back during my opening set (I did a lengthy feedback passage on electric that I do not think set the mood they were looking for). But yeah, it is funny what a fine line it is to that popularity and sustaining crowd vs. where folks like Daniel and Jack Rose get slotted. Like, would J. Rose have ended up beloved by a wider audience at some point, or would he have stayed in the territory he sits in now? (cult following of loyal heads coming at this shit from avant/improv/indie rock land)

I guess this expansive guitar playing was never really that popular, it is the streamlined version that draws in the guitar-player and ex-jam-band-enthusiast-aging-into-acoustic-shred-fans, but still, it seems so adjacent as to be something they would dig, ESPECIALLY if they tolerated long instrumental jams from like Phish or the Grateful Dead back in the day, but so far it does not seem to bubble up into that sphere as far as I can tell.

yeah I guess William Tyler or Steve Gunn would probably be more likely candidates

I know this because one of them asked for their money back during my opening set (I did a lengthy feedback passage on electric that I do not think set the mood they were looking for)

god I wish I had been at that show to mercilessly heckle this person

I guess this expansive guitar playing was never really that popular, it is the streamlined version that draws in the guitar-player and ex-jam-band-enthusiast-aging-into-acoustic-shred-fans, but still, it seems so adjacent as to be something they would dig, ESPECIALLY if they tolerated long instrumental jams from like Phish or the Grateful Dead back in the day, but so far it does not seem to bubble up into that sphere as far as I can tell.

― grandavis, Tuesday, July 31, 2018 4:48 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think this has a lot to do with people kinda aging out in some ways, and losing interest in looking for new things to listen to. As long as the 'olds' of the golden age are still performing, your average retiree Kottke fan will always rather drop $75 to watch Leo play "Vaseline Machine Gun" than go see someone on Scissor Tail or whatever

Hey Sleeve, it wasn't so bad! He didn't say anything to me on his way out (or during the set), he just went up to the door person and asked for his money back and suggested that he didn't sign on for ear damage when he came to the show (it should be noted that this was not ear splitting feedback, but more of the "pastoral" low level type, which is quite beautiful in my opinion). Still, both Daniel and Nathan were completely supportive and laughed about it, and even better was that an even older dude (in his 60s at the least) than the guy who asked for his money back compared me to Cluster and Neu! and wanted to talk German rock after my set, so you know the universe gives and it takes away ....

Paul, sure, aging out/losing interest happens, but in general there is a certain type of very avid and active music fan in my neck of the woods between the ages of lets say 30-55 that do look for new bands and attend a lot of shows, but they don't find this stuff that in my mind is very adjacent and relatable to other stuff they dig. Aquarium Drunkard is a good example of a place kind of bridging some gaps that I would think are easy to bridge, and I see fans of the type I am imagining online (the Phish loving Bachman fan, essentially), but it does not bear out in the kind of numbers I would think are out there to be had.

Based on the 1000 Rose Fest, I think a lot of older Fahey/Kottke folks really loved seeing younger people continuing the tradition

i got out my loop pedal last night and there was this acoustic/synth loop thing still on it...so i added a bass part, kinda funky little snippet

https://soundcloud.com/matthew-lee-helgeson/minimum-maintenance-road

That sounds cool UMS, dig it. Nice loop, coulda listened for a lot longer ....

thanks! i never know how long to make repetitive stuff

Hah hah keep in mind you are getting feedback from someone who has rarely put out a track shorter than 10 minutes long.

i think it's still saved on my pedal so i guess it could be infinite

i'm a drone coward :0

Hah hah I mean barely anyone makes it through an entire track of mine I am pretty sure. It is a fine line to ride.

only you know when it's done

lol @ "drone coward"

Did all of the rest of you 1000 Rose people see the email from Jesse that just came in? Photos/audio etc. Starting to look through the folders now!

oh wow yeah i just checked....goddamn this is goldmine

glad to have the charlie schmidt, that was one of my favorite sets

YSI?

check ilxmail :)

<3

Ha, you can see me chuckle when I see UMS's reaction after the guy shuts the shades in his face during the Rob Noyes set.

hahaha that was a hilarious Larry David American Primitive moment I was trying to figure out what I'd done wrong

new thang from dylan aycock, who is a little underrated, I think (even by himself, judging from the title!) https://scissortail.bandcamp.com/album/guitar-meanderings-ii

the sound quality on the community center recording in the 1000rose dp link is really high quality :)

Would you mind passing on the link to me as well?

:)

I'm working through the community centre recordings now; might come back to the talk and spoken word but focusing on the music. I'm a little envious of those of you who got to see all of this. Some beautiful stuff here. The Peter Walker set was way up my alley. The Glenn Jones/Susan Alcorn duo also really good. A little surprised (in a v good way) by how far out the Sarah Louise and Luke (Stewart?) and Susan (Alcorn?) set got.

yeah it really had little to do w/am primitive at all, dug that set a lot (s louise et al)

oh no poor peter :(

https://www.gofundme.com/medical-expenses-for-peter-lang

cool NY taper set of solar motel band

http://www.nyctaper.com/2018/08/chris-forsyth-the-solar-motel-band-july-28-2018-union-pool-summer-thunder/

yeah, the new stuff / two-drummer lineup sounds radical!

this is maybe a little off for the thread, but: https://okazakiwork.bandcamp.com/album/work-complete-volumes-1-6

complete works of Monk for solo guitar ... sounds pretty cool.

oh wow cool idea

i can't remember the name of the guy but i downloaded this collection of american primitive arrangements of genesis stuff for solo guitar that was dope

^ Jerry Hionis :)

https://jerryhionis.bandcamp.com/album/jerry-hionis-plays-genesis

oof missed that peter lang news upthread! glad he's reached his goal — hopefully he's healing ...

^ Jerry Hionis :)

https://jerryhionis.bandcamp.com/album/jerry-hionis-plays-genesis

― Neal Cassady, Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:38 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes! thanks!

Peter seems to be back posting avuncular anti-Trump posts on Facebook, a good sign