croatia got a lot of mileage out of their midfield being better than everyone else's, until they met france and it wasn't
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
(xp) Brazil did it in 1970. The second time that final's been overlooked on this thread in the last few days!
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Monday, 16 July 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link
yeah they were fairly comprehensively outplayed in the end, and tactically questionable in the way they went after France and allowed them to play their counter
― Jules Rimet still leaving (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 July 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
4 goals is a great achievement, but most people seem to think one of them was a pen that shouldn't have been given.
Many people also seem to doubt the free kick, though I don't see the problem with that.
I think the doubt cast over those two important goals is a factor in judging the performance. If they were all clearly valid and not poor refereeing decisions then it would be inarguable.
The last two French goals were very good. Pogba's slightly similar to the superb Japanese goal in following such good hold-up play. It would have been more spectacular if he'd scored from his first shot, yet I find it more impressive, in a way, that he could immediately shoot effectively with the other foot.
Of course one of CRO's goals was simply from a dreadful error. Perisic's, though it looked a tremendous strike, seems to have been affected by a big deflection.
― the pinefox, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
One of Cro's goals emanated from a free kick they earned where the player clearly flopped too
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
dont say flop
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:17 (five years ago) link
the ref decisions were good
if not, then perfect refereeing sees croatia out against england after a mountain of yellows
but happily they were good decisions and croatia conceded two goals that counted
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link
Scoring from a free kick that might not have been a free kick, who cares?
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
No-one remembers those.
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
pinefox brought it up re: France. I certainly don't gaf.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
Uh, no it didn't. It was a pretty classic cynical foul by Kante. Ran across the player and clipped his heels while trying to make it look accidental
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
I think Tom was having a joke about England's 1990 semi-final fail Neanderthal.
― Jules Rimet still leaving (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
Ohh
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
I wasn't!
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link
Darraghmac: you are sure that it was a handball and penalty?
― the pinefox, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
The penalty was a penalty
The free kick wasn't a free kick. Croatia should have defended it better though
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
Nah, it was a free kick, it wasn't a pen.
― Jules Rimet still leaving (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:41 (five years ago) link
i know i shouldn't do this but what i don't see mentioned about the handball is that perisic was watching the flight of the ball the entire way. i know there's a lot of maybe it is, maybe it isn't handballs in the box, but they're often deflected off someone's shin/shoulder/elbow straight into an outstretched hand. clearly not penalties. but this took no deflections. perisic had a clear view of it all the way from the touchline. how do you not get your hand out of the way?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
There was one camera angle for the free kick where you could see the contact clearly, I know it wasn't as obvious from the other shots.
― Jules Rimet still leaving (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
Yeah given the current interpretation of the rule it's on you to get your hand out of the way
Perisic actually moves his hand (probably instinctively) towards the ball
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
Dunno what angle you're talking about but Griezmann clearly throws the leg out Pires-style
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
I did think it was a free kick.
Tracer, I thought a French player deflected the ball on to Perisic's hand?
― the pinefox, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
It also seems to be a consensus that CRO should have defended the free kick a lot higher up the pitch than they did.
― the pinefox, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
it was a very clear free kick. the fouled players movement isnt relevant when the tackling player fouls him regardless.
jesus.
thought the fk for the equaliser was frankly soft alright but any contact or hint of it from behind is enough.
ppl acting like the slight head fra player got on ball makes a marked difference to perisic slapping it out of the air like a fucking seal
jesus
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
griezmann was hit low and miles from the ball on a leg that hasnt rly moved
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
definite pen
never a free kick. diving wee fuck
― ||||||||, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
I've got to admit I thought it was a penalty, no-one else I've spoken to agrees though, but it wouldn't have surprised me in the least if it hadn't been given.
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
if either hadnt been given it would be *shrug* alright but thats pre-VARifocation
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
and only shrug because the common knowledge is to discriminate against skilled players/for defenders in reffing decisions
good riddance to that
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
No se merece nada! Griezmann needs some practice in fair play. #cheater #dive #griezmann pic.twitter.com/Rl37TtBhqo— Learn German w/ Anja (@aniadealemania) July 15, 2018
I mean come on
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
ref needs spray-on, quickly disintegrating handcuffs to tie up everybody's hands during free kicks
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link
egregious dive
― ||||||||, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link
if possible, the ball should also be sprayed out of a can
― Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:57 (five years ago) link
thats a foul!
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
jesus!
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
obv I knew you would say that
it might have ended up being a foul, but Griezemann initiated the contact. He got the dive wrong, but he got away with it
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
coming around to the fact it may have been a pen but it was a clear dive by griezmann imo
― . (Michael B), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
pen, dive
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
,deflection
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
talking point: pens should not count towards personal goal counts y/n
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
if it's Harry Kane, yeah
otherwise not too bothered
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
^^^^
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
pen = 0.5 goals
― nashwan, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
not saying its not a dive
its a clear dive
its also a clear foul
this isnt intricate stuff lads
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
he's jumped in the air before contact has been made. to quote the rulebook directly "fuck him at that point"
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
the foul never occurred because the dive occurred first. All I can see in that clip is a legitimate attempt to get the ball, which may or may not have resulted in a foul
we have no way of knowing what happened in this alternate timeline where Griezmann didn't dive
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:48 (five years ago) link
how bout the timeline where you arent allowed clatter Baryshnikov himself if he fuckin glides past you swanlike ie this actual reality
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
isn't Baryshnikov's main skill staying on his feet
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
sure but where was the marking
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:57 (five years ago) link
anyway, I've never denied something can be a foul and a dive. Happens all the time
but I think if you execute the dive in too obvious a manner you should be punished for it
― Number None, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:57 (five years ago) link