"croissant-munching, latte-sipping": instances of misconceived media-class self-loathing ITT

I find all this really interesting though. I was in the shop just now - all these demonised things, the hummus, kale, qinoa, lattes, organic, etc, etc, are all thoroughly standard. Everywhere. Cheap. Everyone buying them. And the food options in lowest common denominator beer and a burger pubs are all, you know, done up so as to include all this stuff.

At some point in the 1980s quiche became the totem food that ultra-manly men claimed all unmanly men regaled themselves upon. Now it's just... quiche.

'The Botanist' chain of pubs and the status of prosecco must fit into this too.

Maybe the demonisation of the ____ munching, _____ swilling liberals is less to do with their supposedly luxurious tastes (as the accuser implies or want us to think) and more to do with how normal they are, how on-trend? They only have liberal opinions because it's fashionable, see, just like lattes and hummus are fashionable?

Morgan has always acted about 20 years older than he really is. It's strange.

there has been a bit of a Kale backlash in recent times and I'm a bit of a fan tbh, although I did lol the other day when some bitchy celeb-chef type dismissed it as "basic winter food for cows".

Kale was extremely old-fashioned and unpopular just two decades ago.

their supposedly luxurious tastes (as the accuser implies or want us to think)

Note that they never refer to something actually luxurious, e.g. "liberal elites driving BMWs to their ski vacations". Not that I fully understand this rhetorical move but it seems to depend on some sort of David Brooks worldview where class differences have more to do with cultural refinement/sophistication/snobbery than actual wealth - the latter of which might actually be a sign of being in touch with the interests and concerns of the common man. In the last round of debates for the Conservative Party leadership in Canada, one Canada said something dismissive of economists like "when have you seen a wealthy economist? They're sitting in ivory towers, sipping on tea and coffee [latte?], instead of making money."

how many Canadas you got anyhow

Ha, candidate, sorry. Too much wine.

Sipped a Pinot Noir like the elitist I am.

Note that they never refer to something actually luxurious, e.g. "liberal elites driving BMWs to their ski vacations"

Ahhhhhh yes this feels like a key point. Because that would bring questions of wealth into play.

ctrl-f "avocado toast"

^^what I ate for lunch

Never seen them going more than about a quid

i haven't read this yet but judging by reviews and the author's twitter it's the book of the thread:

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e76fb582-cde2-496e-b7e1-469f4952f149_1.f66c6e3fe6ea02688066ae5108109eaa.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF

omg that cover

my first thought was: Is that Berkoff in the middle. But as a cover design it is some ugly, lazy shit!

the book looks good but yes they shd have gone with the wall of gammon (crepey meatstuffs remix)

A chapter on The Dialectics of Banter revisits the sitcoms of the 1990s, characterising their mandated wackiness as a kind of “inverted sententiousness”, and noting that a similar sense of performative proletarian iconoclasm also informed the works of Young British Artists such as Tracey Emin and Damien Hirst.

might check it out, he said in a preformative prole voice!

i mean that's a p terrible read of most of hirst's OR emin's work

Got involved in a convo with him a few months ago and I think he either posted or lurked on ilx 10+ years ago.

yes not their *work, but not on how they presented themselves to the media, but it would be a more appropriate description of Sarah Lucas' work, perhaps.

* or absolute fucking garbage, as I'd call it!

TS: wall of gammon vs wallogina

xyzzzz__: yes i'm p sure he's a one-time denizen of dissensus, he's buds with all the right types

(lol that came across more snidey than intended)

lol he didn't seem to like ilx very much. Very much one of the K-Punk (blog-era) lot, I think.

tbf the secret motto of dissensus was "butthurt about ilx"

yup.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/31/global-britain-can-exist-immigration-time-conservatives-relearnt/

"It’s time to face facts: liberals have lost the battle on immigration. Despite our self-assuring groupthink, where we gather around our almond-milk lattes and grumble about the backlash to our treasured freedom of movement, it’s becoming increasingly clear that most of the country thinks we’re badly out of touch. It appears as though we, in our metropolitan hubs, haven’t clocked the wider effects of immigration on working class people and on individual communities."

a series of comment pieces by young people, for young people, to provide a free-market response to Britain's biggest issues

One of them's by Liz Truss, 43.

individual communities under the sea

i'm not the world's biggest atrios fan (and was thinking UK-wards when i started the thread) but this:

centrist pundit: elitist liberals and their starbucks-going latte-swilling ways will never play in real america

also centrist pundit: what real americans in the heartland want is the billionaire guy who made starbucks

— Atrios (@Atrios) January 31, 2019

Tbf does anyone actually support Schultz’s presidential bid?

centrist pundits iirc

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/05/north-london-trail-of-the-liberal-elite

"a journey"

Presumably John Harris is stuck in Stoke.

Stephen Kinnock, married to the former PM of Denmark, is on LBC talking with contempt about "people who go to coffee bars in London."

— Frédéric Moreau (@goodclimate) December 18, 2019

rest assured stephen that your insistence on supporting the status quo will soon lead to the global collapse of agriculture so no-one will be visiting coffee bars ever again, congrats

Stephen, is that you?
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jun/02/how-i-eat-stephen-kinnock-mp

Given that there's a 'coffee bar' every 50 yards or so on every street in London, who exactly is he talking about?

he likes a bit of salt-of-the-earth on his chips, after they've been pissed on!

I’m a creature of habit – my breakfast is always a bowl of porridge and an orange. I chop up the orange and chomp on the inside of it.

god i'd forgotten about this, absolutely cursed content

"... then I put the peel in my mouth and make like I've got orange teeth."

Next he'll be saying he rubs oxo cubes on it

that whole piece is the diary of somebody who doesn't require human like food

“If you want to figure out what characters around Putin might do, or how international criminal gangs might exploit holes in our border security, you don’t want more Oxbridge English graduates who chat about [French psychoanalyst Jacques] Lacan at dinner parties with TV producers and spread fake news about fake news,”

ilx apply for the cummings job

He is the poster boy for middle class self-loathing.