thread to dis hyped releases that you don't get/don't like/wanna complain about

Like why are you even engaging if it's dross. I assume it's dross. So I don't check it out.

i guess 'the discourse' is an overrated thing. i shall hereby tidy the house instead

Let a billion discourses bloom

listening to the beths. not bad! it's like...decent, formulaic indie with fair-to-good hooks we've all heard before. so it puzzles me why ilxors good and true are hyping it to the skies, feels like they're almost patronising it, forcing it to be their 'album of the year' as it's a cool look or w/e. i mean sure like it and write about it but there's massive cognitive dissonance between the album you're all talking about and the album i'm hearing

tldr: listen to the trust fund album as well pls

forcing it to be their 'album of the year' as it's a cool look or w/e

lj, i hate it when you do this, please stop

like i haven't heard the beths record but what if it were my album of the year? personally i'd say fuck you!

btw listen to the new low album

and you'd be right to! but given what else has come out this year i flatly refuse to believe this would be even close to your aoty. but i've been wrong before. i just don't understand the greatness of this album. i'm listening and i can't hear it

and yeah ok haha

It's a very narcissistic look to not only think you have the best taste (that's normal enough), but to actually doubt that other people are sincere in their own enjoyment of things outside of that

fine well i wish i just understood people better then

also, the album picks up at the end at least

it's a delicate thing to get right but I am not universally against ppl casting aspersions on my proclaimed love for certain things, sometimes there's some truth to it

sure, consider the posting history of rtc

btw i feel bad about getting mad at you lj so i've decided to finally listen to this trust fund album, will report back

It's a very narcissistic look to not only think you have the best taste (that's normal enough), but to actually doubt that other people are sincere in their own enjoyment of things outside of that

― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, September 6, 2018 10:11 AM (thirty-four minutes ago)

this is all some people have. nothing worse than a music critic who thinks/speaks of their opinions as fact.

credit to imago, though, i thought this:

i mean sure like it and write about it but there's massive cognitive dissonance between the album you're all talking about and the album i'm hearing

was gonna be this:

"i mean sure like it and write about it but there's massive cognitive dissonance between the album you're all talking about and the album it actually is"

big difference there that i appreciate

fine well i wish i just understood people better then

no you dont

(sorry)

if people can't talk about records they don't get in the "talk about records you don't get" thread where the fuck can they

(I haven't heard the full album; the tracks I heard were nice but not necessarily outstanding for me)

Fair enough I guess this should be a safe space for hating and strawperson-ing

yeah ilx really needed one of those

anyway i wasn't railing against the thread idea itself just the particular way lj did it so i'm confused

this thread should be burned to the ground

People can hate on what they want, but questioning other listeners' underlying motivations is a technically very difficult power-move to execute without looking small-minded and intellectually lazy, so in most cases it's a rhetorical manoeuvre best avoided or at least saved for real "in emergency break glass" situations, which is probably not "why do people enjoy this perfectly pleasant power-pop album".

Nah.

In the anachronistic spirit of this thread, I'll try to contribute to it once my to-listen list finally hits 2018, so if all goes well, some time next year.

xp

Without questioning anyone's motivations (for anything), I'm also a little surprised at the passionate reception for the Beths (it's fine, but I thought I'd like it more, based on descriptions).

But I've felt the same way about other stuff here recently that folks have gone gaga over. I wish I could hear more stuff with the same ears, I'd rather love stuff than not love it!

But I've felt the same way about other stuff here recently that folks have gone gaga over. I wish I could hear more stuff with the same ears, I'd rather love stuff than not love it!

― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, September 6, 2018 2:33 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is largely where I am with music in general right now. I love stuff but it is generally not the stuff others love, to the point where I've wondered if this is some kind of defense mechanism

Eh, you're overthinking it. As long as you're willing to give everything a fair shake, like whatever you like and stick with it. I stopped looking for a community of like-minded listeners a long time ago, and that's ok.

Tim otm. If one can't see the difference between "i don't get this thing everyone seems to love" and "i don't get this thing everyone seems to love, probably because it's a cool look" then *shrug*

more to my point, same goes for "hmm, to each his own" vs "actually no the album is bad" in response to ppl talking about something they love.

I'm never really mystified about why others like what they like, but I often make the mistake of thinking the stuff that I like is more popular or appealing than it is.

I generally try to append something like "IMO" or "to my ears" when I express a negative opinion up in here (even tho I think that should be implied), just to avoid making those kind of declarative statements. (I guess I could try not posting anything negative at all, but...)

There's a difference between a negative opinion and specifically attributing ulterior motives to people who have positive opinions

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't want to do that... who knows why those freakin' weirdos like the crazy shit they like, they must all be high (lol)

anyway the Beths album didn't come out in 2017 so technically it's ineligible for this thread :D

this trust fund album is badass, i've been sleeping, thanks lj

some good came of this then :D

People can hate on what they want, but questioning other listeners' underlying motivations is a technically very difficult power-move to execute without looking small-minded and intellectually lazy ...

― Tim F

this happens constantly here though

Of course

Though the upgraded version (which I am more likely to fall back on myself) is “you listen to this thing rather than that thing because you have dubious aesthetic predilections and/or you are part of hype circles and gatekeeper discourses which structurally advantage the reputation of this thing over that thing even though that thing is better.”

Which is related but not quite the same thing. It’s more of a “forgive them father, for they know what they do” brand of condescension.

I like the "you're a hypocrite b/c you like THIS but not THIS" move (which I'm sure I've fallen into myself)

i think that "upgraded version" way a lot which wld probably be better if it led me to pose questions (not prescriptions!) to people i think fall into those groups instead of privately grumbling to friends or myself like i usually do

I guess I don’t really care whether ppl like the same stuff I do (nothing I can do about it); though it is kind of a bummer when you mention liking something on here, and 3 or 4 ppl chime in, “Nah, that sucks.”

In those cases, I actually would like to know their reasons, so there’s at least basis for discussion...

for me, music is social. i like music more when people of my acquaintance also like it - i'd say this has happened with the beths and previously with king. in light of that it's probably always going to be divisive when somebody goes out of their way to dissent from that.

timely bump of the yves tumor thread - I've just listened to the album and am glad to report that it is nowt but trendy mithering, sounds like some third-rate mego producer trying to be king krule or something. next

I guess I don’t really care whether ppl like the same stuff I do (nothing I can do about it); though it is kind of a bummer when you mention liking something on here, and 3 or 4 ppl chime in, “Nah, that sucks.”

I'd much rather hear that than mentioning liking something and zero people chime in -- at least it means it's getting discussion and getting heard

exactly - I bet at least 3 ppl listened to The Beths on the strength of my opposition. perhaps those same ppl will now listen to Yves Tumor

i don't even know what a "mego producer" is. like those crappy giant '70s action figures?

i'd rather say nothing about a record that doesn't interest me than go out of my way to express my disinterest. i can't fathom why anyone would be interested in acclaimed albums i find to be only fair-to-middling.

Agreed on principle, let’s just have this as the parquet courts hate thread tho plz

I tried to turn the Parquet Courts thread into the Parquet Courts hate thread, but no one was biting :P

it's all been downhill since Light Up Gold

Right??