yeah it's pretty obvious
― k3vin k., Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
Re: “Uncast Shadow...” — isn’t there a song on that album that’s basically a straight-up Silver Jews homage?xpost – where do you guys hear it specifically? Which songs?
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link
yeah it's there but it's Sonic Youth too, I don't know why that comparison doesn't get brought up more often
― flappy bird, Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
certainly the song N Dakota sounds like a Pavement ballad, Donuts Only sounds like a Spiral song, but when they really rock, it's more tense and on edge than Pavement ever really were
― flappy bird, Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
“Donuts Only” = Sprial maybe only in the sense that it’s the least good song on that album, LOL(!)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
the album sounds just like Roisin Murphy imo
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
xp lol yes otm
― flappy bird, Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
there must be a thread for albums that have a band's best song followed by one of their worst (Borrowed Time -> Donuts Only)
whereas Pavement are downright cozy...
it's more tense and on edge than Pavement ever really were
really feelin the coziness on this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CbCTtVvOU8
weird opinions on Pavement in this thread
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:55 (five years ago) link
Haha, “Recorder Grot” is a pretty atypical Pavement song...I agree there was a certain tension in their early stuff, tho (including S&E)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link
I changed my mind: this reminds me of Color Me Badd
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link
Also (xpost to myself), I think even Pavement's "abrasive, punky stuff" is somehow on an entirely different tip than PC's "abrasive, punky stuff"
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link
entirely possible, I haven't heard enough PC to say, I just think it's a mischaracterization to act like all Pavement made was their last two records of cozy mid-tempo guitar rock
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
I would be very surprised if the members of Parquet Courts don't each own a copy of Slanted and Enchanted
― Gâteau Superstar (dog latin), Friday, 13 July 2018 01:07 (five years ago) link
they all have the vinyl and only use it to roll j's on.
― wmlynch, Friday, 13 July 2018 01:41 (five years ago) link
+1
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 13 July 2018 01:43 (five years ago) link
Parquet Courts sound like Shannon imo
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 July 2018 02:02 (five years ago) link
It's almost like Parquet Courts is embarrassed of the "weedy guy in a cardigan" side of Pavement and deliberately het up their sound to void that stigma. I'm not sure they'll ever make as tuneful and shameless a Pavement-inspired album as for instance The Stevens "Good", which is a pity.
― o. nate, Friday, 13 July 2018 02:07 (five years ago) link
I’m thinking some itt have not heard any of malk/pave’s music. “steady on my mind” for example (the song I happen to be listening now) is basically a song from “mirror traffic”
― k3vin k., Friday, 13 July 2018 02:15 (five years ago) link
Solo Malk doesn’t sound much like Pavement!
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 13 July 2018 03:24 (five years ago) link
For reference, here are a few random songs that “sound like Pavement”:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvNnu3NYKuUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR1xCjL0mXEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR1xCjL0mXE (start at 1:05)
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 13 July 2018 03:31 (five years ago) link
Whoops, this was supposed to be #2:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9yeYGbugwc
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 13 July 2018 03:32 (five years ago) link
I think I hear a lot of different malk eras in their records. I’ll give more examples later
― k3vin k., Friday, 13 July 2018 04:18 (five years ago) link
I maintain that "Evergladed" by Sammy is the best Pavement ripoff ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJOwsOfQgFs
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 July 2018 04:40 (five years ago) link
That’s the Sammy from Long Island, the biz kids? I didn’t know they had a release on Smells Like... thought they went straight to the majors, LOL
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 13 July 2018 04:50 (five years ago) link
I'm pretty sure they're from Florida, I heard the song at the end of a Kelly Reichardt movie called River of Grass from 1994.
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 July 2018 05:00 (five years ago) link
oh lol nvm, yeah New York: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_(band)
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 July 2018 05:01 (five years ago) link
I wanna make fun of this guy, but being a junior label exec by day and playing in a Pavement soundalike band by night would have been my dream early-20s lifestyle, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Wood
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 13 July 2018 05:16 (five years ago) link
Wow, I had no idea about his subsequent career. I got a *lot* of mileage out of that Smells Like... Sammy LP as a youngster.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 13 July 2018 05:34 (five years ago) link
I, too, learned not that long ago that one of the guys from the all-time greatest Pavement rip-off band, Sammy, is now a millionaire music industry executive. smh, as the kids say.
this sent me to YouTube to revisit some of their stuff. another one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZ7PxuyqbU
― alpine static, Friday, 13 July 2018 06:09 (five years ago) link
This is some serious hair splitting going on here. Does that happen any time someone incants the name Pavement?
Of course you can find songs that sound *more* like pavement, from the mid-90's, when everyone had similar production and guitar effects, but still, if you're not hearing *any* similarity than you're probably standing too close.Some of the DNA from "Conduit For Sale"/"Hit the Plane Down" surely made its way into "Donuts Only" (or from "Two States" -> "Dust", or from "Here"/"Zurich is Stained" -> "Human Performance")That said, I do agree with zchyrs that i hear more minutemen in there.
Also, for the folks who think Turrican is crazy for saying PC are better than pavement, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you were probably aged between 15 and 25 when you discovered pavement, but you're over 35 now, and it's a hell of a lot harder for new bands to get admitted to the canon.
― enochroot, Friday, 13 July 2018 12:55 (five years ago) link
Bands can share DNA (such as “postpunk” DNA, for the first batch of songs you mentioned) without particularly sounding like each other. I understand that sounds like splitting hairs... anyway, it’s just something fun to talk about / debate.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Friday, 13 July 2018 13:42 (five years ago) link
over 35...and it's a hell of a lot harder for new bands to get admitted to the canon.
OTM. Yet Parquet Courts have made my personal canon. I'd even go as far as saying A. Savage is the best millennial rocker.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 13 July 2018 13:50 (five years ago) link
I don't listen to much rock these days but I make exceptions for these:
Parquet CourtsSacred PawsOughtBig ThiefFuture IslandsLescopAlgiers
And the thing is I like these acts LOADS compared to a lot of everything else I listen to, but I just don't involve myself much in the style as I might once have
― Gâteau Superstar (dog latin), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
like they're part of my canon and very high on there
doggie needs to get down w the bradnelsonwave
― flopson, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:52 (five years ago) link
rock is good now
does that mean rockism is the new poptimism?
― enochroot, Friday, 13 July 2018 23:16 (five years ago) link
rockism != rock is good
― flopson, Saturday, 14 July 2018 02:33 (five years ago) link
bradnelsonwave is definitely rockpoptimism par excellence
― Gâteau Superstar (dog latin), Monday, 16 July 2018 09:05 (five years ago) link
I was actually wondering whether brad would like this band
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 July 2018 14:21 (five years ago) link
i don't! i see what they're doing and i appreciate it and can see the craft but it's not for me
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 16 July 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
that was pretty much what I figured lol
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 July 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link
respect
― flopson, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link
Theres a good interview with A.Savage in this months Tape Op magazine, all about their recording process etc
― raise my chicken finger (Willl), Sunday, 29 July 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link
good indeed, but he doesn't come off as the most easy-going guy in the world does he?https://tapeop.com/interviews/126/andrew-savage/
― niels, Monday, 30 July 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
haha did he ever?
great interview, thanks for the tip - i let my tapeop subscription lapse.
― flappy bird, Monday, 30 July 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link
punk songsi thought that they were differentand i thought that they could end it no, no it was a deception
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 18 August 2018 01:58 (five years ago) link
Of course it was a deception... but was his takeaway from that realization: “Maybe Danger Mouse production will do the trick?”
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Saturday, 18 August 2018 05:56 (five years ago) link
To elaborate (rather than snark & run): “Pretty Machines” is a great, catchy song about (I think) realizing you can’t escape being a subject of consumer culture and mass media, and a complicated relationship to rock ‘n roll as part of that.And yet this band seems to have de-evolved to ever-clumsier “political” moves — to the point that it’s now yelling “I’M WIDE AWAKE!” over a bed of moar cowbell.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Saturday, 18 August 2018 06:26 (five years ago) link