1970 War Satires T/S: M*A*S*H* vs. CATCH-22 vs. Kelly's Heroes

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catch 22 is my fav book, but i haven't seen the nichols version yet. cautiously optimistic about the clooney one.

is the 1970 version worth digging up?

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:48 (one year ago) link

Arkin is a great Yossarian, and there are some brilliant scenes. Nichols ladles on more shtick than is ideal (prostitute sashaying to Thus Spake Zarathustra).

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:52 (one year ago) link

Still the broadly comic stuff is what mostly works best.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:53 (one year ago) link

reminds me of Ulysses from the same era: more like a moving slide show tour of the book than a fully functional movie, not sure either of them are filmable books.

ABBA Bill O'Reilly (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:06 (one year ago) link

a faithfully filmed tv series of catch-22 might wind up looking a bit like...arrested development season 4 lol with all the overlapping plotlines and mixed-up chronology.

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:34 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

I kinda don't want to see it because i love the book and it might make me mad. The 70s movie was short/vague enough for me to accept ... I feel like with a longer series, I would be less forgiving.

Also, chiming in that Kelly's Heroes was really great ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 19:28 (four months ago) link

(prostitute sashaying to Thus Spake Zarathustra)

otm, this is a mortifying disaster that seems to go on forever

that review just describes plot points / themes from the book like "deep!" and the closest it comes to filmcrit is where it says kyle chandler furrows his brow

2001 cue aside i like the nichols movie quite a bit. agree that it cuts so much out it passes naturally into being its own thing while maintaining (a scale model of) the book's structure; the dreamlike staging of the central trauma is good; many of the performances are v canny about when and when not to step into cartoonishness. voight and grodin in partic do perfectly characterized monsters.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 20:13 (four months ago) link

voight has a line-- "then they'll understand"-- buck henry immodestly claims induced heller in the screening room to mutter "i wish i'd thought of that"

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 20:15 (four months ago) link

also i do "...if you live" (pops lips) anytime someone tells me how old they're going to turn soon, including small children

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 20:29 (four months ago) link

It clearly wants to be a coen bros-style adaptation and it makes me want the coen bros to have directed this

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 21:23 (four months ago) link

oh man, idk, i think Coens would have made it way too schticky ... 10 years ago I would have said Lars Von Trier should've done it, but I hate him now, so ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 21:46 (four months ago) link

catch-22 is better but kelly's heroes is the one i'd watch if all three were mysteriously on tv some weekend afternoon

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 23:22 (four months ago) link

they're all good bit id have to give nichols extra credit for managing it at all

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 May 2019 08:19 (three months ago) link

Dr. Johnson to thread.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 May 2019 09:48 (three months ago) link

As he hurls insults at them, a series of close-ups introduces some of the young men, one by one, as their names are displayed on screen.

Jfc are ppl really still doing that move in 2019?

Always liked the Nichols movie but found it hard to really love, the performances and a lot of the photography are great but it feels like a series of sketches. Definitely best appreciated as a separate work thats adjacent to/inspired by the book. Havent seen Kellys Heroes in a long time but absolutely loved it as a kid, espec Rickles, and Sutherland's negative waves speech. Definitely gonna find time to revisit that one v soon.

One Eye Open, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:22 (three months ago) link


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