No Irish, No Yanks, No Clogs - FIFA World Cup 2018

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https://youtu.be/kcHslKK0VMQ

This is very good as well.

Matt DC, Sunday, 8 July 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link

Can't believe the best line from that Time article wasn't c&p'd itt already

"England’s underdog team is set to face Croatia on Wednesday, July 11"

I want to change my display name (dan m), Sunday, 8 July 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link

Germany 2014 were largely fantastic throughout, no one has looked that good this time round, let alone as good as Spain 2010.

ah yes, Spain, losing their first match, and narrowly winning all of their knock out matches 1-0. Paraguay missed a penalty in the 1/8's against them. etc.

the point is.. hardly at any World Cup a team is truly great, that's what makes it so much fun. Like this year, to me it seems all 4 are perfectly possible to win it. France, decent overall, Belgium, great counter attacks, Croatia, bit like France + Modric, England, set pieces. :P

Ludo, Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link

not just that, im fine with the final 4 having seen what i have of the rest

repartee is deft (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link

Croatia, bit like France + Modric

threadban request

imago, Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link

Hot take - this Croatia team is very good and people are mad underrating them in this thread. If they play like they did against Argentina then England are in trouble.

Matt DC, Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link

argentina were a ridiculous rabble tbf

imago, Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link

peak croatia take any england apart

weve seen that once against rabble

theyve been flat since, and absolutely through the wringer twice

repartee is deft (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link

That Paulinho transfer is absolutely insane. Did he basically take a year-long loan at Barca so he could play himself back into contention for the World Cup?

Matt DC, Sunday, 8 July 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link

well i mean fraud has been used in discussions around him previously so

repartee is deft (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 July 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link

croatia: argentina :: poland : colombia

||||||||, Sunday, 8 July 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link

croatia have the two best midfielders in either squad and england are better in every other position idk

imago, Sunday, 8 July 2018 20:37 (five years ago) link

dgmr it'll be much tougher than sweden whom i knew england would beat. this one could go either way

imago, Sunday, 8 July 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link

I know I'm going to get accused of jinxing here but I'd be putting money on England winning this game - if I didn't already have money coming in from the work's sweepstake.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Sunday, 8 July 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link

i too can see no possible way for england to fail in this upcoming match

repartee is deft (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:42 (five years ago) link

England will win the cup guys

Young team, excellent striker in kane, being top scorer, incredibly consistent, and an inventive system, pretty much the best team in decades

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link

tbh I think they'll get into double figures both games

Neuer write off the germans (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 8 July 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link

Otmfm

Hat trick by kane after which he’ll be knighted

F# A# (∞), Sunday, 8 July 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link

Croatia = Dissipated and knacked, video reach stereo bog

(help me out here, Fizzles)

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Sunday, 8 July 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link

love this:

Here I am in 1996 writing earnestly in my diary about Gareth Southgate’s missed penalty.

👌🏻👌🏻 match analysis. #ENGSWE pic.twitter.com/Dp8MyMGZQm

— catherine barter (@okayjane) July 7, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 July 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link

gutted it wasnt kane

*realises kane would have been....3 in euro 96.......ffs

repartee is deft (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 July 2018 22:55 (five years ago) link

lol

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 July 2018 00:40 (five years ago) link

France all the way.... Déschamps over Southgate; love them both

Et Dieu crea l' (Michael White), Monday, 9 July 2018 00:45 (five years ago) link

booooo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 July 2018 01:14 (five years ago) link

<3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 July 2018 01:14 (five years ago) link

Don't know if this has been posted upthread somewhere but quite interesting article from the WSJ. You can't imagine Big Sam doing anything like this.

SAMARA, Russia—It was the night before the Super Bowl, and sitting courtside at the New Orleans Pelicans vs. Minnesota Timberwolves game was a man who had traveled all the way from England with his mind intensely focused on another global sports event: the World Cup.

There has never been anyone more interested in a Pelicans vs. Timberwolves matchup than England manager Gareth Southgate.

Southgate bombarded his companions with detailed inquiries about strategy, arena operations and even Crunch, the wolf mascot. Chris Wright, the chief executive of the local MLS team Minnesota United, was stunned by his curiosity about this sport that’s about as British as sauerkraut.

“Here’s this English guy, the England team manager, trying to figure out Basket ball 101,” Wright said.

But these are strange days for England. They have emerged as a serious contender at the World Cup. They lucked into the weaker half of the knockout bracket. They play Colombia on Tuesday for a spot in the quarterfinals. And they can attribute some of their unlikely success in soccer to basketball.

Wright was delighted when the Football Association contacted him before Southgate’s visit to the Super Bowl in Minnesota. He is English himself, which is why he wasn’t expecting this request from the manager: “Is there any way we can go to the Wolves game?”

There was a reason that he was so eager for this outing, and it wasn’t Crunch. On the ride to the arena, Southgate told colleagues that he was especially curious about how NBA teams created space around the basket. He thought there might be something he could steal.

Was there any way he could apply the principles of NBA plays—the pick-and-rolls, the off-ball screens, the constant movement—to the English national soccer team?

There are precious few moments in every soccer match when a manager can actually choreograph the action by designing a play. They’re called set pieces, and for many years, they were better known in England as a bloody disaster.

All of which makes England’s set pieces at this World Cup nothing short of a national miracle.

Their six goals on set plays were the most of any country in the group stage. But there’s a better comparison than England vs. the world: England vs. England. They have scored four goals on corners and free kicks so far. They scored four goals on corners and free kicks in the previous three World Cups combined.

“On set plays, we’re a real threat,” Southgate said. “We’ve identified that as a key area in tournaments and a key area we felt we could improve on.”

England’s ineptitude on set plays before Southgate’s hiring in 2016 was a bigger national drama than Brexit.

At the time, England star Harry Kane took their corners and free kicks, one of the many questionable tactical decisions that eventually cost Roy Hodgson his job. That paved the way for the unproven Southgate, a retired player whose prior managing experience included a stint with the country’s youth team and three seasons with a middling English Premier League club that was relegated under his watch. Southgate was an improbable choice, and he was given the job only after Sam Allardyce was fired in disgrace.

Southgate now looks like the manager who might be able to solve England’s problem of face-planting in spectacular fashion at the worst possible time. His inventive schemes have benefited one player in particular: Harry Kane. In England’s opening World Cup win against Tunisia, Kane slammed home a header on a corner kick in the 91st minute to avoid an embarrassing draw. It was his second goal of that match: Kane had already scored on another corner kick.

But the clearest example of how England implements basketball strategies on their set plays was a corner kick during their 6-1 blowout of Panama in the group stage.

It started with Kieran Trippier’s bending corner. Once the ball was in the air, two English players cleared out the center of the box, almost like they were 3-point shooters flaring away from the basket. Meanwhile, at the top of the box, Ashley Young threw his body into the defender guarding John Stones long enough for Stones to get free in the middle of the box and head the cross for a goal.

It was a primitive basketball play: the back-screen. And it worked to perfection.

It’s not like Gareth Southgate invented the pick play in soccer. But even he said, through an England spokesman, that he was influenced by what he saw watching basketball. The people who sat next to him that night were not surprised.

“In areas where he was specifically interested,” Wright said, “he wanted to go deep.”

Southgate had already proven by this point that he was not afraid to seek out ideas in unorthodox places. He entrusted his assistant, Allan Russell, with England’s set pieces, for example, even though the last teams that Russell had coached were the Carolina RailHawks and Orange County Blues, minor-league clubs in the soccer hinterlands otherwise known as the United States.

Southgate is not the first soccer manager to study basketball for inspiration.

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola, who happens to be the coach of the English Premier League champion and the most dominant team in global soccer at the moment, has long been intrigued by the NBA. He attended a Finals game in 2016 wearing a LeBron James uniform, and he has utterly befuddled English reporters by citing the Golden State Warriors in his press conferences.

(This being England, of course, Southgate watched not the Cavs or Warriors but the Timberwolves and Pelicans. Neither team has ever won an NBA championship.)

There’s an obvious similarity between a corner kick in soccer and the pick-and-roll in basketball. The whole point is to create enough vertical air space for a header or dunk. But what basketball plays and soccer set pieces really have in common—the reason that Guardiola paid careful attention to the NBA—is they are both an opportunity to seize a small advantage, said Philadelphia 76ers vice president Daniel Medina, who worked under Guardiola at FC Barcelona.

“He used to look at not only basketball, but other sports like handball and indoor football,” Medina said. “Similar collective ideas with different constraints can lead to different solutions.”

Which is why Southgate was so inquisitive at the Pelicans vs. Timberwolves game.

“He was the one asking questions all night,” said Ben Grossman, a Minnesota United minority owner.

“Like I’m Tom Thibodeau,” Wright said.

Southgate had so many questions about how everything from how offenses create space to how defenses protect the basket that he stayed long after the game was over. Grossman realized when they finally left that Southgate was not at the NBA game simply to have a good time. He was there to work.

“I know this is going to sound a little silly, but I actually left that night expecting England to do well in the World Cup;” he said. “You could just tell the way he went about his business that he was going to leave no stone unturned.”

groovypanda, Monday, 9 July 2018 07:26 (five years ago) link

That's a great story. I must admit I've been watching their train formation from corners with interest because I don't think I've seen it before.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Monday, 9 July 2018 09:08 (five years ago) link

lincoln city are apparently claiming to have invented it

https://i2-prod.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/incoming/article1747133.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/CS530_Lincoln_v_Dover.jpg

I'd Rather Kecak (NickB), Monday, 9 July 2018 09:17 (five years ago) link

southgate's pretty interesting really. like, he's in his faraway little garden shed with all these kids and random (but carefully chosen) foreigners - WHAT'S HE BUILDING IN THERE?? sometimes it looks clueless, sometimes there's a hint of... something wengerish i suppose. i mean ok yeah lol only spurs, but still.

― r|t|c, Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:49 PM (nine years ago)

Matt DC, Monday, 9 July 2018 09:46 (five years ago) link

xp first time I saw it was in the last women's world cup, possibly the USA team? not sure if it directly resulted in an actual goal but the wtf factor was probly worth the trouble

Pardew to Megson: "you've stolen my New Orleans bounce" (DJ Mencap), Monday, 9 July 2018 10:28 (five years ago) link

southgate's pretty interesting really. like, he's in his faraway little garden shed with all these kids and random (but carefully chosen) foreigners - WHAT'S HE BUILDING IN THERE?? sometimes it looks clueless, sometimes there's a hint of... something wengerish i suppose. i mean ok yeah lol only spurs, but still.

― r|t|c, Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:49 PM (nine years ago)

― Matt DC, Monday, 9 July 2018 10:46 (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha I referenced this extremely evocative post to a confused friend while watching the game on Saturday

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 9 July 2018 10:32 (five years ago) link

great post - nothing wengerish but that's nine years ago you have to allow for something.

Sterling as Toastao: https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/jul/09/raheem-sterling-england-world-cup

Kane was fat: https://www.theguardian.com/football/shortcuts/2018/jul/09/harry-kane-inspiration-chubby-children-everywhere

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:01 (five years ago) link

ok, England '18 as Brazil '70, we've hit the peak

he's one of our pwn (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 July 2018 14:14 (five years ago) link

Peak 'I want to die' for me are the ~hilarious~ takes by many Dutch media abt how ~endearing~ the England fans are w/ their "it's coming home" nonsense. You don't need Riefenstahl to polish yr turd, you just need some guys who can kick a ball into a net from quite far away against lousy opponents.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 9 July 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link

The French invented the World Cup, so It's Coming Home might well be apt.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Monday, 9 July 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link

have Dutch TV shown the video of England fans doing their nonsense in IKEA yet?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link

Whats Croaition that we can fuck up

imago, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link

^^private schoolboy mocks the lower orders and demands a cookie for it, mea culpa

imago, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:48 (five years ago) link

seriously though, blood is up and male aggression is being dangerously legitimised

imago, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:49 (five years ago) link

by you?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link

have Dutch TV shown the video of England fans doing their nonsense in IKEA yet?

― xyzzzz__, Monday, July 9, 2018 4:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Heard abt it on the radio, but yeah. Glad we're in agreement about how daft it is.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link

Whats Croaition that we can fuck up

https://www.tiesplanet.com/images/brick-red-micro-pattern-casual-cravat-p220-272_medium.jpg

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:07 (five years ago) link

Watch out edward fox in day of the jackal

Neuer write off the germans (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 07:13 (five years ago) link

have at it http://citypal.me/top-10-croatian-inventions/

gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 07:32 (five years ago) link

Water cannon might come in useful, tbh.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 07:35 (five years ago) link

also dalmatians

I'd Rather Kecak (NickB), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 07:37 (five years ago) link

Tito's Partisans knew how to fuck up something Croatian, innit?

calzino, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 08:09 (five years ago) link

how did the people who invented mp3s play mp3s without waiting for a croatian student to invent the mp3 player?

koogs, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 08:45 (five years ago) link

and i'm not sure i can bring myself to hate mechanical pencils.

koogs, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 08:56 (five years ago) link


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