Is Eric Clapton a racist?

Ok that's kinda disgusting.

As recently as 2004 Clapton called Enoch Powell “outrageously brave,” so this recent expression of regret strikes me as complete horseshit.

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Exactly. Though, like I say, it's worth seeing this bit in the doc, because he does use the "f word" about himself, which seems to the furthest he's ever gone in admitting it.

i wouldn't say "complete horseshit", i'd just say "disingenuous". i'm not with fascist alcoholics anonymous, i could demand a fearless moral inventory from him but you know what, i'll settle for "i was wrong because i was a self-loathing drunk", even if his excuse lacks persuasive power. as far as these things go, i'll take "i was wrong because" where i won't take "i was wrong but".

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Yeah, I saw this documentary last night - hadn't seen it before and it does seem to be pretty new (it came out last year, apparently) - the guy seemed to have had mental health issues from the off, really - and of course when the trappings of success couldn't prevent him from being unhappy, he drank and drugged his way to as close to oblivion as he could. Sad, really. There was footage of him drinking and doing coke in the mid '70s and the guy just looks like a sad mess.

I like his stuff with the Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith and Derek and the Dominos. Basically all the stuff before the smack addiction, alcoholism and bizarre behaviour.

I quite like that solo album from the alcoholic years, the one with the address in the title.

Anyway, his is not a pretty past but its not like he's Morrissey.

I like his stuff with the Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith and Derek and the Dominos. Basically all the stuff before the smack addiction, alcoholism and bizarre behaviour.

Well, Ginger Baker was definitely on smack during Cream/Blind Faith, but for Clapton the harder drugs began to creep in during the Layla sessions, but it blew up into full-blown addiction circa '71. He spent a couple of years hiding away and doing smack, and when he came back he'd replaced smack with alcohol.

Eric Clapton: a life in 12 bars is most excellent.

I thought he was a quite dreadful human being before watching this but it has made me reasess. I now think he is a really dreadful human being.

I wonder if this is the documentary that a friend of mine was working on. FWIW he said Clapton was a boring cunt.

That doesn't surprise me at all!

I can only think that someone who could make a bad maudlin hit single about his bairn flying out of high rise flat window is a fucking psychopath tbh.

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I dunno, I can understand a musician using music to help them get over their grief...

...spending several years obsessively trying to pick up your friends wife, though...

I saw this doc last night. Pattie Boyd: I mean it's obvious but wowza.

It was a good watch, whatever you think of the man.

i enjoy Hitler documentaries

at least he didn't murder music

although he almost did murder Django Reinhardt, but that is another conversation.

Mostly old news peppered with some excessive both sides BS, but details Clapton’s history of self-serving bigotry and prejudice and goes into some fresh details about how he’s been actively supporting anti-vax activists:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eric-clapton-vaccine-lockdown-racist-comments-1239027/

Came here to post that, too. It's mostly old news, yeah, but by running round-up stories like this every 10 years or so younger people get to hear it for the first time, in a sense inoculating themselves against this guy and his mostly worthless music.

would have assumed young ppl run no risk of getting into Eric Clapton either way but I guess Greta Von Fleet have young fans so

Clapton's legacy is mixed. I have found that deputies mostly like him, whereas he is not as popular among sheriffs.

Republican governors love him tho.

Also, the luxury rehab industry.

when he dies his tombstone will be forbidden to visit for those who are vaccinated.

years later, guards will talk about how weird it is that they've never had to enforce this rule.

when he dies his tombstone will be forbidden to visit for those who are vaccinated.

I briefly read this as "when he dies his *trombone* will be ..." etc., and thought it was a meta joke that by the time he dies he will have been so forgotten that no one can even remember what instrument he played.

RIP, Eric Clapton, trombone great.

it's in the way that you use it

iirc his nickname was "slowbone"

ask Patti

https://freshsheetmusic.com/media/catalog/product/p/a/paul_murtha-eric_clapton_on_stage_-_trombone_1-musicnotes_thumbnail.png

if Connor Clapton had grown up today, his dad would still get to write Tears in Heaven

I like to believe Clapton died somewhere in 1976, but was kept alive through infusions of racist propaganda and far-right conspiracy theories, resulting in the creature that has been infecting us with pseudoscience for the past year or so.

Too bad Clapton didn't join the "27 Club" instead of Hendrix. The world would've been a whole lot better with that swap.

we'd have never gotten "Change the World" or his "I Shot the Sheriff" cover!

There was a Clapton documentary on about a month ago and one memorable part had him saying his parents made him cut his hair when he was a teenager, and that ever since then he hadn't trusted anyone.So yeah, some traumas he's working through here, give the man a break, etc.

I imagining some alternate universe where people complain "Man, I can't believe Hendrix went from Electric Ladyland to this bland Babyface shit! I bet Clapton wouldn't have done this had he survived that heroin overdose."

My guitar teacher is a big fan of Clapton ... but literally only what he did in Cream through Derek & the Dominoes, so 1967-1970. He is bored by or outright hates everything he's done since 1970.

So as far as he's concerned, yeah, Clapton died in 1970, right after Hendrix.

"My Father's Eyes", Pilgrim, THIS is authentic blues!!!!

The outtakes from the aborted second album for Derek & the Dominos are pretty good (I think from 1971?) but that's pretty much the miserable end of the Eric Clapton worth hearing.

can't lie, i quite like this cocaine/sunshine of your love mash-up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdqSEPmdF98

Whenever I consider the forking paths of Hendrix surviving, the outcomes are far more Clive Davis presents Carlos and Jimi's Supernaturals III than Mdou Moctar collabs.

I'm going to have to disagree with the "Clapton sucks after 1970" angle -- in fact, I think "461 Ocean Boulevard" is one of the best albums Clapton has made (but I do think the hits are the weakest tracks on the album -- I've never really been a fan of "I Shot the Sheriff" and "Willie and the Hand Jive," but I absolutely love "Motherless Children" and especially "Let It Grow"). After that, though, I will say that things generally do go downhill from there (though I do have a bit of a soft spot for "Lay Down Sally," weirdly enough).

I actually like unplugged

There was a Clapton documentary on about a month ago and one memorable part had him saying his parents made him cut his hair when he was a teenager, and that ever since then he hadn't trusted anyone.So yeah, some traumas he's working through here, give the man a break, etc.

A bizarre moment in my 10-year-old life -- I briefly got obsessed with the song "Bad Love" and would rewind and play that part of my Journeyman cassette over and over again. Very much a product of that pre-adolescent phase where you start to have an inkling of what having your own music taste is but haven't really figured it out yet, much in the same way as you might start to stare at a girl you think is pretty at that age but have no idea what might be a next step.

In my actual adolescence I briefly thought Cream was alright, but the more other music I heard the less good they seemed.

diarrhea medicine

I've always thought of Clapton as medicine that *gave* you diarrhea.