Search & Destroy: John Coltrane

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I'm glad I have this thread bookmarked so I will be repeatedly reminded that I need to get this new one

sleeve, Friday, 29 June 2018 15:07 (one year ago) link

this is really great, and i'm generally hot/cold on Coltrane

Hotdogs Killcars (dog latin), Friday, 29 June 2018 15:10 (one year ago) link

The full Antibes Love Supreme set is on the deluxe edition from 2002.

A couple good Coltrane tribute songs are. . .

Cliff Jordan — 'John Coltrane' (1973)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znr4KRw2au8

Abdullah Ibrahim — 'For John Coltrane' (1992)
https://vimeo.com/82702349

So friggin' excited to hear the "new" record.

(V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Friday, 29 June 2018 15:49 (one year ago) link

Wasn't bowled over by the first "new" track tbh

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 29 June 2018 18:48 (one year ago) link

but I mean, this is an unfuckwithable era of the quartet and there was nothing bad about it either, looking forward to hearing the whole record

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 29 June 2018 18:57 (one year ago) link

I went through a phase when I had Live at Birdland on nonstop and this seems like the studio analogue to that record afaict

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 29 June 2018 18:58 (one year ago) link

this one popped up in my youtube subs, i'm liking it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJcpBWry04w

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 30 June 2018 17:10 (one year ago) link

Got my copy of the 2CD version in today's mail.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 30 June 2018 17:16 (one year ago) link

this is really great, and i'm generally hot/cold on Coltrane

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Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 1 July 2018 05:44 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Listening to Ole Coltrane today (first track, on repeat) and it's McCoy's album, or at least it's him I think of when I summon an aural image of the album. He's so in charge and oceanic. Then it's the knotted basses and Dolphy taking flight. I barely think of Coltrane and Elvin at all. Puzzling.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 14:10 (one year ago) link

Poor old Freddie doesn't even get a look-in.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 14:11 (one year ago) link

Hubbard?

The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 14:17 (one year ago) link

Aye.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 14:20 (one year ago) link

I picked up "Concert in Japan" last night and it's pretty great, fidelity and chopped up sequencing notwithstanding. Rashied Ali is unreal on it.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:18 (one year ago) link

Are you referring to this one? I have had it for possibly a decade and have listened to it maybe once. It's pretty crazy.

outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:36 (one year ago) link

That's the one! I had never heard it. It is indeed pretty crazy.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:45 (one year ago) link

olé is sometimes my favorite coltrane album and it’s largely bc of its rhythm so it’s hard for me to listen to it and not focus on jones, also coltrane’s playing is so fucking mesmeric at this point that i can’t imagine not noticing him either! fair point that the interlocking basses kinda steal the show though

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:50 (one year ago) link

I think I undersold how much I love Ole! It makes me want to run up mountains with a bull on my back.

I wonder if it's that I've listened to it so much that when I focus on it, I sort of hear through it to the bottom now. Anyway, what an astonishing thing. I wish he'd done more with that particular ensemble.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:54 (one year ago) link

OK ILM you've made me want to hear this again, it has been a few years. That title track, damn. It really doesn't get better than this, does it?

Also--maybe a nice thread idea but I don't think it would be very popular--are there many other examples in jazz of a well-known musician using a pseudonym for contractual (or other) reasons? I can't think of too many other examples, though there are obviously quite a few blues players who did this

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 23:40 (one year ago) link

McCoy was listed as ".Etc" on Joe Henderson's 'Page One' and other Blue Notes of the time owing to his conflicting contract with Impulse. And there's "Ed Kelly & Friend" and Leon Thomas' "Spirits Known & Unknown", both of which feature an pseudonymous Pharoah Sanders, listed as "Friend" and "Little Rock" respectively.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 23:52 (one year ago) link

Did not know about any of those!

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 23:55 (one year ago) link

the cover for the Ed Kelly record is great

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51ngiwSpTEL._SY450_.jpg

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 30 August 2018 00:17 (one year ago) link

oh and Pharoah is also credited as "Mystery Guest" on Larry Young's Lawrence of Newark

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 30 August 2018 00:19 (one year ago) link

Oh cool!

https://jazzdiscography.com/fitzgera/pseudo.htm

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 30 August 2018 00:45 (one year ago) link

I love all the pseudonyms that jazz guys used. Charlie Parker used Charlie Chan, Cannonball Adderley used Buckshot LeFonque. . . there's lots of them.

outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Thursday, 30 August 2018 00:54 (one year ago) link

omg who remembers Branford Marsalis's project Buckshot LeFonque? That hadn't popped into my mind for maybe two decades?

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 30 August 2018 07:05 (one year ago) link

Preemo AND Buckethead, lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckshot_LeFonque

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 30 August 2018 07:07 (one year ago) link

Olé and Africa/Brass are my favourite Coltrane albums. His discography's so vast though, and I've only started exploring it a few years ago.

willem, Thursday, 30 August 2018 07:23 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

I did not know about the key changes in Giant Steps, well explained in this awkwardly titled video from Vox:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62tIvfP9A2w

niels, Monday, 26 November 2018 14:45 (ten months ago) link

Adam Neely is a Coltrane obsessive. He did this video a while back and it blew my mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J98jwtm5U4E

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 26 November 2018 16:47 (ten months ago) link

Adam is really smart. I took some lessons from him for a little while a few years ago and loved talking to him.

Gottseidank, es ist Blecch Freitag (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 November 2018 16:49 (ten months ago) link

Poor Tommy Flanagan. I thought they should have mentioned that he played Giant Steps on every gig he could after that, just so people would know he got it together (or at least I remember hearing that anecdotally).

Great video otherwise.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 26 November 2018 16:51 (ten months ago) link

Feel like “most” “serious” fans have gotten beyond that, but maybe that is just wishful thinking. By the time I was seeing him I don’t recall him playing “Giant Steps” and don’t really remember too many people bringing it up in conversation.

Gottseidank, es ist Blecch Freitag (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 November 2018 17:22 (ten months ago) link

This new 1963 box set Impulse is putting out seems like kind of a ripoff to me - it's the tracks from that "lost album" they just released, with John Coltrane and Johnny Hartman, Live at Birdland, and I think some other previously released stuff tacked on.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 26 November 2018 17:29 (ten months ago) link

Ah, good to know, James.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 26 November 2018 17:33 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

I’ve been geeking out to his solo on But Not for Me from My Favorite Things lately. He does stuff in there that already sounds like “late” Coltrane

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 14:46 (nine months ago) link

Urrr, brainfart, I meant Summertime, not But Not For Me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEftw9o1joo

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:21 (nine months ago) link

semi kicking myself for not picking up whichever European tour was £15 in FOPP.
Did get Village Vanguard though just realising that I probably had most of it since i still have most of teh box set somewhere.
Want to pick up most of his Impulse lps and probably a few of teh Atlantic ones.

Also should have grabbed Pharoah Sanders' Elevation when I saw it in Honest Johns.

Do love Afro Blue Impressions since chancing on it on vinyl in Belfast 28 years ago & I assume the European tour material is going to be pretty similar.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:49 (nine months ago) link

& I assume the European tour material is going to be pretty similar.

It mostly is, but the first disc-and-a-half is with Eric Dolphy. I haven't checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could find just the Coltrane/Dolphy live European stuff as a standalone disc.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:09 (nine months ago) link

(sorry, to clarify: the first disc-and-a-half of the Live Trane: The European Tours box)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:09 (nine months ago) link

Man, Interstellar Space is really peak music

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 17 January 2019 16:34 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

listening to that prestige '58 box .. it's often quite familiar stuff, but still so good.

calzino, Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:23 (six months ago) link

Kenny Burrell, Donald Byrd, Paul Chambers, Jimm Cobb, Tommy Flanagan, Red Garland, Louis Hayes, Freddie Hubbard - literally fucking top notch '58 combos!

calzino, Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:29 (six months ago) link

Coltrane w Kenny Burrell was one of my first jazz records and I love it so much

It's sort of interesting in jazz how since these guys all did so many sessions in short periods of time, it can be sort of arbitrary which one you wind up starting with and that one often becomes a favorite.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:23 (six months ago) link

four months pass...

uh hi dere

Now comes word of another new album by the classic John Coltrane Quartet, with McCoy Tyner on piano, Jimmy Garrison on bass and Elvin Jones on drums. Blue World will be released on Impulse!/UMe on Sept. 27, and like Both Directions it offers an unexpected view on a pivotal period in the band's evolution. It was recorded at Van Gelder Studios on June 24, 1964 — a few weeks after the quartet put a finishing touch on the album Crescent — as the soundtrack to a Canadian art film. Because the date had gone unnoted in session recording logs, this music has occupied a blind spot for Trane-ologists, archivists and historians.

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/16/751516859/a-lost-album-from-john-coltrane-is-found-with-thanks-to-a-french-canadian-direct

sleeve, Friday, 16 August 2019 16:09 (two months ago) link

fuuuuck

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 16 August 2019 16:10 (two months ago) link

nice

tylerw, Friday, 16 August 2019 16:15 (two months ago) link

anything in the vicinity of Crescent already has my full attention

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 16 August 2019 16:21 (two months ago) link

otm

sleeve, Friday, 16 August 2019 16:22 (two months ago) link


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