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Post-Jerry: The Dead > Dead & Co >>> Furthur in my experience. Phil was great but he's nowhere near the player he used to be and Otiel in dead & co is an upgrade with a sweet voice for ballads and having a DSO's Jerry impersonator up front was creepy. My advice is don't let Mayer scare you away, he takes a backseat to Bob and deeply respects the music.

BrianB, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:22 (eleven months ago) Permalink

How was Trey w Dead & Co. or whatever they were called then?

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:26 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i was driving lyft the night byrne played mpls and i picked up a carload of jam band dudes from colorado

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:28 (eleven months ago) Permalink

thanks for picking us up dawg, though we weren't loving the tunes -- did you say it was some band called Loutallica?

tylerw, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Vernon is a shy violet with no spine.

this is really misinformed, vernon can actually belt when he wants to & is an outstanding, very well-rounded musician

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:33 (eleven months ago) Permalink

The Dead w/ Warren Hayes >> The Dead w/ Trey. Trey's not bluesy enough to stand in Jerry's shoes.

BrianB, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:43 (eleven months ago) Permalink

xxxp
In the times I tried (and failed) to get into Phish, it flummoxed me how they loved stuff right in my zone like the Dead, Talking Heads, and VU's Loaded -- yet I could find no way into their own music (including their covers of that stuff).

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:48 (eleven months ago) Permalink

this is really misinformed, vernon can actually belt when he wants to & is an outstanding, very well-rounded musician

― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're right, I'm only familiar with For Emma, Forever Ago (which I loved), and his wishy-washy Grammy's speech, which was 6 or 7 years ago. I haven't kept up with him.

flappy bird, Friday, 29 June 2018 16:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i was a mayer skeptic for a long time but saw them at citi and thought he did a great job of largely taking a backseat while injecting some (relative) youth and energy into the lineup. he really killed the guitar on help -> slip -> franklin and his voice works pretty well on bluesier stuff like hurts me too. it's taken them some time to find their groove together but i'm feeling this tour a lot.

oiocha, Friday, 29 June 2018 17:28 (eleven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

god dicks picks 8 is good, the acoustic set and the other one -> cryptical envelopment -> cosmic charlie -> casey jones -> good lovin (with a really wild driving jam on a track i normally can skip) stretch is insane. trying to make it through every dp on spotify. what a great time to be a dead fan.

oiocha, Saturday, 15 September 2018 03:54 (nine months ago) Permalink

i was a mayer skeptic for a long time but saw them at citi and thought he did a great job of largely taking a backseat while injecting some (relative) youth and energy into the lineup. he really killed the guitar on help -> slip -> franklin and his voice works pretty well on bluesier stuff like hurts me too. it's taken them some time to find their groove together but i'm feeling this tour a lot.

You’re taking the piss right

calstars, Saturday, 15 September 2018 04:05 (nine months ago) Permalink

i think that now i'm easing closer to middle age i'm gonna get super into the dead, just feels right imo

gbx, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:06 (nine months ago) Permalink

i found my two favorite dick's picks at the record shoppe, vols 3 and 4 just sitting there right next to each other :)

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:52 (nine months ago) Permalink

i think that now i'm easing closer to middle age i'm gonna get super into the dead, just feels right imo

this has been me over the last 2 weeks. 45 was the magic number as it turns out.

Dicks Picks 3 has been in constant rotation

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 16 September 2018 05:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

i...don't understand why they ever had two drummers. it makes sense on occasion, certain eras (earlier, especially), and different songs where they play in a complimentary way. but for the most part, whenever i have the chance to watch a grateful dead clip and both billy and mickey are playing, they're pretty much playing the exact same thing. it is weird.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 03:55 (six months ago) Permalink

in 68/69 i feel the duo drumming did have good effect, when mickey rejoined after the hiatus i fail to hear anything interesting coming from the pair. they were certainly more dynamic and got into some of my favorite stuff with just bill. that said, i do appreciate that mickey is and was a really far out spacey dude and kept a lot of weirdness present as they got bigger and lamer. this read on the beam is pretty cool even if a lot of it is over my head:

https://www.mickeyhart.net/news/all-about-the-beam-baby-5211

and he seems the most curious and restless member even into the current day-

https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2018/01/09/dead-notes-15-the-mickey-hart-interview/

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 25 November 2018 04:59 (six months ago) Permalink

Thanks for linking that interview... I skimmed over some chunks of it, but it’s really interesting. Mickey is cool.

my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 25 November 2018 07:15 (six months ago) Permalink

holy shit, the beam

i didn't know about ANY of that.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:15 (six months ago) Permalink

i also have no idea what the beam is about, for the most part, but it strikes me as something where only mickey hart thinks he understands and everyone else is like "well either we're friends with mickey or paid by him to work on this beam, so fuck yeah the beam"

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:17 (six months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcRkeN0lmA4

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:19 (six months ago) Permalink

He should have kicked Mayer in that clip, jfc

MaresNest, Sunday, 25 November 2018 14:33 (six months ago) Permalink

https://cmga360arts.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ellen-p1000430.jpg

Duke, Sunday, 25 November 2018 15:05 (six months ago) Permalink

it strikes me as something where only mickey hart thinks he understands

this is why it’s cool btw

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 25 November 2018 17:01 (six months ago) Permalink

What band title is that Hart beam thing from. Not being paying attention to what they are going out under these days.

Stevolende, Sunday, 25 November 2018 19:44 (six months ago) Permalink

is the amazon series worth watching, btw

anyone

gbx, Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:15 (six months ago) Permalink

see discussion starting here: should i give the grateful dead a chance?

my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:29 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah it's good!

tylerw, Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:30 (six months ago) Permalink

XXP - It's a treat, definitely!

MaresNest, Sunday, 25 November 2018 23:07 (six months ago) Permalink

and yeah, i've listened to a fair amount of post 74 Dead and it seems to me that Hart is usually at his best when you forget he's even there. the main argument you could make for him is that he kept the band's experimental edge in the mix on the drums > space situations (which can be the most interesting parts of 80s/90s shows). but in a lot of cases he keeps things in a weird rhythmic zone — too bad, because between 72-74, Kreutzmann was proving himself to be a pretty incredible drummer. After that he's a little bit checked out. But I can only assume he wanted Hart there ...

tylerw, Sunday, 25 November 2018 23:39 (six months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Anyone else think about this commercial all the time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IllSfSNZFSM

peace, man, Friday, 1 February 2019 23:38 (four months ago) Permalink

I read that the Dead paid everyone in their crew -- roadies, drivers, techs, soundpeople -- the same amount that the band members got paid for a show. So, whatever Jerry made on a show, that's what the truck driver made, too.

Anyone know if that was true? And if so, did it continue into the '80s and '90s?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 2 February 2019 01:03 (four months ago) Permalink

i don't know if that's true but i know they paid health insurance etc

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 2 February 2019 06:28 (four months ago) Permalink

Wow, I do faintly remember that ad

i stan corrected (morrisp), Saturday, 2 February 2019 06:46 (four months ago) Permalink

I totally remember that but it meant nothing to me at the time as I was still pissed that the Dead didn’t sound like sabbath.

Also is that Spike Lee in there?

joygoat, Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:19 (four months ago) Permalink

He directed the ad iirc.

peace, man, Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:35 (four months ago) Permalink

from the same campaign as the rob liefeld levis ad. heady times

adam, Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:55 (four months ago) Permalink

I feel like that was a trend in the early ‘90s, high-profile directors bringing “prestige” to TV commercials... guess it doesn’t really happen now (maybe b/c commercials are often skipped)?

i stan corrected (morrisp), Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:59 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah David Lynch, PTA, and I think even Tarantino did commercials in the 90s.

afaik that detail about pay could be correct, perhaps exaggerated, but in the 4 hour doc from a couple years ago, it was stressed how much Jerry felt obligated to keep the machine going despite his poor health and addiction issues because if he stopped, even for a season, he'd be putting hundreds of people out of work.

flappy bird, Sunday, 3 February 2019 22:36 (four months ago) Permalink

the '90s was definitely lynch's ad-making peak, he's done ads since then but not as many as he did in the '90s

his playstation 2 ad was pretty memorable

you know, in '81 he did a music video (sparks' "i predict"), in the 2000s he did online videos. the man adapts with the times.

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 February 2019 22:45 (four months ago) Permalink

five years from now people will want to know the thread where david lynch's playstation 2 ad is discussed and it'll turn out to be the grateful dead live thread, and everybody will say "of course!"

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 February 2019 22:47 (four months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

from Rolling Stone---thanks Jon Blistein (I hope to catch up with the 50th Anniversary series this Fourth of July weekend):
The Grateful Dead will include a set of unreleased music taken from a handful of 1969 shows on the upcoming 50th anniversary reissue of Aoxomoxoa, out June 7th.

The set will feature two versions of Aoxomoxoa: A newly remastered version of the original 1969 LP and a remastered version of the band-produced mix the Dead released in 1971. The reissue’s bonus disc will boast live music recorded January 24th to 26th, 1969 at the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco, California (the recordings were among the first live performances recorded to 16-track tape).


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“In 1969, for their third album, the Grateful Dead eschewed outside producers and created Aoxomoxoa themselves, beginning a run of self-produced albums that would continue until 1977,” said Grateful Dead archivist Dave Lemieux in a statement. “Scrapping the first sessions, which were recorded to eight-track tape, the Dead now had 16 tracks with which to experiment their psychedelic sound, with an album that included entirely Robert Hunter-penned lyrics for the first time.”

The bonus disc of live material includes several gems, including two early versions of Aoxomoxoa tracks, “Durpee’s Diamond Blues” and “Doin’ That Rag,” as well as the final live performance of “Clementine,” a song the Dead began playing in 1968 but never released on a studio album. The Dead lineup at the time of the Avalon shows was Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Ron “Pigpen” McKernan, Phil Lesh, Tom Constanten, Mickey Hart, and Bill Kreutzmann.

The 50th anniversary version of Aoxomoxoa is available to pre-order and will be released as a two-disc CD set and a limited edition vinyl picture disc.

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dow, Saturday, 1 June 2019 23:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://open.spotify.com/track/1LL1dvOe6Y0Pd5pRgKGJKq?si=Fs7FpQNcTga7G_bj3_bbzw

“Beautiful Jam” from ‘71 on the So Many Roads comp

calstars, Sunday, 2 June 2019 02:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

^^^ all-time great

tobo73, Sunday, 2 June 2019 02:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

“Durpee’s Diamond Blues”

☮ (peace, man), Sunday, 2 June 2019 11:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Also enjoying Watkins glen rehearsal from that same album, which goes from spacey to hippie funk until jerry introduces a major key

calstars, Sunday, 2 June 2019 11:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yesterday i went through and listened to all of the top-rated performances of the first album songs on headyversion. well, i didn't actually get through pigpen doing "good morning little schoolgirl" for 16 fucking minutes, the album version was excruciating enough, but i did run across this ten minute jam on "cream puff war" from '66 that i liked a lot, actually. i have a hard time thinking of the dead as a genuinely "psychedelic" band, at least not in a way i'm into, but this sounded like it in a way jerry's playing usually doesn't for me.

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Sunday, 2 June 2019 12:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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