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otm xp

honestly tho there is a local dead cover band here that is ace and i enjoy their shows more than i enjoyed the dead & co

marcos, Thursday, 28 June 2018 15:03 (five months ago) Permalink

I've contemplated seeing Dead & Co, but really cannot get past Mayer, unobtrusive though he may be. And Marcos OTM re: Phil. If Phil joined Dead & Co., and if Ned Lagin tagged along and a "Seastones" could be expected at every show, yeah, I'd go see them.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 28 June 2018 15:12 (five months ago) Permalink

...and then they ditched everyone and it was just Lesh and Lagin doing Seastones

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 16:10 (five months ago) Permalink

my wife shamed me into two Dead and Co shows. First was on a very nice summer night last year, outdoor show, excellent seats way up front. much more fun than I expected.

second was in a big indoor hockey arena and the sound sucked. that said, they had tightened things up, esp the second set, which made for a better product in some ways.

in both cases, the music was incredibly slow even by their standards. bertha in particular was a slog. can't see how an uninitiated could have stayed awake. loved hearing bobby's guitar high in the mix and he seemed to be rising to the occasion. mayer provided the energy and adequate guitar playing and the bass guy helped alot. keyboard guy seemed a little too dead-cover-band for the role.

protip: get there an hour late and skip a big chunk of the first set. makes the night go by much faster

tobo73, Thursday, 28 June 2018 16:57 (five months ago) Permalink

justin vernon did some songs with them which incensed the online deadheads for days, which i found hilarious because it makes just about as much sense to have him up there as it does to have john fucking mayer

ok I'm no Mayer fan but this is completely, laughably false

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:31 (five months ago) Permalink

only ppl with signature guitars allowed?

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:41 (five months ago) Permalink

how so paul

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:11 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah what is the difference

flappy bird, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:28 (five months ago) Permalink

Mayer is unapologetic about being a bro asshole, Vernon is a shy violet with no spine. Mayer's milquetoast brand isn't that much more 'straight' or normcore or whatever than whatever Bon Iver is up to.

flappy bird, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:30 (five months ago) Permalink

vernon is way more of a sconnie dude than people think from what i hear

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:31 (five months ago) Permalink

"sconnie"?

flappy bird, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:35 (five months ago) Permalink

Someone from Wisconsin

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:56 (five months ago) Permalink

The only time I've spent any time around Vernon he was mostly yelling at a Green Bay Packers game

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:57 (five months ago) Permalink

....wistfully yelling at a green bay packers game through autotune

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 19:31 (five months ago) Permalink

Bon Packer

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 June 2018 19:36 (five months ago) Permalink

how so paul

― global tetrahedron, Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:11 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah what is the difference

― flappy bird, Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:28 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

virtuoso (like it or not) guitar hero / dreamboat with at least some credibility (or at least name recognition) with the kinda festival attending bros who dig Panic, Phish, Mule, etc vs. sensitive cornball indie rocker not especially known for protracted guitar solos (or solos of any kind for that matter)

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 28 June 2018 19:48 (five months ago) Permalink

i do want to read that new book about the post-Jerry years that just came out, should have some juicy stuff in it.
The Rolling Stone mention, not really a review, that I saw (may have been more coverage later) cited the shocking tale of how Lesh and Weir cruelly went Furthur, leaving the other Dead behind. I had previewed a Furthur show in Columbus OH, did a little background, seemed like just another GD sidetrip, like all of 'em have done at one time or another. They had the Garcia clone from Deep Banana Blackout, a couple relatively young but experienced hands on drums and hopefully non-toxic keys, plus the possibility of unlisted guests, as at earlier gigs, non-outrageous ticket prices etc., whole thing seemed okay. Apparently ended when Weir fell down onstage, but that was furthur down the road.
A thing on the Phil Zone site in late 90s where he announced that he was disgusted with at least some of the other Dead, the ones who wanted to use the Vault as collateral in a venture with Microsoft, according to him---suppose there might be *some* lasting fallout from the Phil Zone over this, and maybe that's in the book as well.

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:01 (five months ago) Permalink

Oh no, sorry, he wasn't from DBB; this was the crew we got with Lesh and Weir:
The original lineup also included John Kadlecik of the Dark Star Orchestra on lead guitar, Jeff Chimenti of RatDog on keyboards, Jay Lane of RatDog on percussion, and Joe Russo of the Benevento/Russo Duo on drums.

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:33 (five months ago) Permalink

Although Lane may have already split? I didn't actually attend, so no idea (assigned a preview, not a review).

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:35 (five months ago) Permalink

Furthur retained much of the characteristic style and texture of the Dead. In addition to performing many of the songs regularly played in concert by the Dead, Furthur tried to "keep it fresh" by routinely adding new material to their setlists. This included many songs resurrected from the Grateful Dead's extensive songbook, including several rarely or never performed live, like "Alice D. Millionaire", as well as several cover songs from bands including the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, the Band, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Ryan Adams, Van Morrison and the Clash. They also regularly performed some new, original material. Now I wish I'd gone!

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:02 (five months ago) Permalink

Deep Dark Banana Star Blackout Orchestra. (It's hard to keep all them jambands straight...) xxp

Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:16 (five months ago) Permalink

was there always a vague affinity from jam bands towards the talking heads? it's something i've noticed lately. there's even a band called 'pink talking phish' which i'm sure is just... something

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:22 (five months ago) Permalink

Post-Jerry: The Dead > Dead & Co >>> Furthur in my experience. Phil was great but he's nowhere near the player he used to be and Otiel in dead & co is an upgrade with a sweet voice for ballads and having a DSO's Jerry impersonator up front was creepy. My advice is don't let Mayer scare you away, he takes a backseat to Bob and deeply respects the music.

BrianB, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:22 (five months ago) Permalink

How was Trey w Dead & Co. or whatever they were called then?

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:26 (five months ago) Permalink

i was driving lyft the night byrne played mpls and i picked up a carload of jam band dudes from colorado

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:28 (five months ago) Permalink

thanks for picking us up dawg, though we weren't loving the tunes -- did you say it was some band called Loutallica?

tylerw, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:30 (five months ago) Permalink

Vernon is a shy violet with no spine.

this is really misinformed, vernon can actually belt when he wants to & is an outstanding, very well-rounded musician

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:33 (five months ago) Permalink

The Dead w/ Warren Hayes >> The Dead w/ Trey. Trey's not bluesy enough to stand in Jerry's shoes.

BrianB, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:43 (five months ago) Permalink

xxxp
In the times I tried (and failed) to get into Phish, it flummoxed me how they loved stuff right in my zone like the Dead, Talking Heads, and VU's Loaded -- yet I could find no way into their own music (including their covers of that stuff).

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:48 (five months ago) Permalink

this is really misinformed, vernon can actually belt when he wants to & is an outstanding, very well-rounded musician

― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're right, I'm only familiar with For Emma, Forever Ago (which I loved), and his wishy-washy Grammy's speech, which was 6 or 7 years ago. I haven't kept up with him.

flappy bird, Friday, 29 June 2018 16:53 (five months ago) Permalink

i was a mayer skeptic for a long time but saw them at citi and thought he did a great job of largely taking a backseat while injecting some (relative) youth and energy into the lineup. he really killed the guitar on help -> slip -> franklin and his voice works pretty well on bluesier stuff like hurts me too. it's taken them some time to find their groove together but i'm feeling this tour a lot.

oiocha, Friday, 29 June 2018 17:28 (five months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

god dicks picks 8 is good, the acoustic set and the other one -> cryptical envelopment -> cosmic charlie -> casey jones -> good lovin (with a really wild driving jam on a track i normally can skip) stretch is insane. trying to make it through every dp on spotify. what a great time to be a dead fan.

oiocha, Saturday, 15 September 2018 03:54 (three months ago) Permalink

i was a mayer skeptic for a long time but saw them at citi and thought he did a great job of largely taking a backseat while injecting some (relative) youth and energy into the lineup. he really killed the guitar on help -> slip -> franklin and his voice works pretty well on bluesier stuff like hurts me too. it's taken them some time to find their groove together but i'm feeling this tour a lot.

You’re taking the piss right

calstars, Saturday, 15 September 2018 04:05 (three months ago) Permalink

i think that now i'm easing closer to middle age i'm gonna get super into the dead, just feels right imo

gbx, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:06 (three months ago) Permalink

i found my two favorite dick's picks at the record shoppe, vols 3 and 4 just sitting there right next to each other :)

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:52 (three months ago) Permalink

i think that now i'm easing closer to middle age i'm gonna get super into the dead, just feels right imo

this has been me over the last 2 weeks. 45 was the magic number as it turns out.

Dicks Picks 3 has been in constant rotation

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 16 September 2018 05:15 (two months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

i...don't understand why they ever had two drummers. it makes sense on occasion, certain eras (earlier, especially), and different songs where they play in a complimentary way. but for the most part, whenever i have the chance to watch a grateful dead clip and both billy and mickey are playing, they're pretty much playing the exact same thing. it is weird.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 03:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

in 68/69 i feel the duo drumming did have good effect, when mickey rejoined after the hiatus i fail to hear anything interesting coming from the pair. they were certainly more dynamic and got into some of my favorite stuff with just bill. that said, i do appreciate that mickey is and was a really far out spacey dude and kept a lot of weirdness present as they got bigger and lamer. this read on the beam is pretty cool even if a lot of it is over my head:

https://www.mickeyhart.net/news/all-about-the-beam-baby-5211

and he seems the most curious and restless member even into the current day-

https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2018/01/09/dead-notes-15-the-mickey-hart-interview/

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 25 November 2018 04:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Thanks for linking that interview... I skimmed over some chunks of it, but it’s really interesting. Mickey is cool.

my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 25 November 2018 07:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

holy shit, the beam

i didn't know about ANY of that.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i also have no idea what the beam is about, for the most part, but it strikes me as something where only mickey hart thinks he understands and everyone else is like "well either we're friends with mickey or paid by him to work on this beam, so fuck yeah the beam"

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcRkeN0lmA4

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He should have kicked Mayer in that clip, jfc

MaresNest, Sunday, 25 November 2018 14:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://cmga360arts.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/ellen-p1000430.jpg

Duke, Sunday, 25 November 2018 15:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it strikes me as something where only mickey hart thinks he understands

this is why it’s cool btw

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 25 November 2018 17:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

What band title is that Hart beam thing from. Not being paying attention to what they are going out under these days.

Stevolende, Sunday, 25 November 2018 19:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

is the amazon series worth watching, btw

anyone

gbx, Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

see discussion starting here: should i give the grateful dead a chance?

my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah it's good!

tylerw, Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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