there aren't many reasonable encounters in this film! mostly at the mechanical orgy.
Cumming said they shot his scene for a week, and that Kubrick laughed a lot.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
if you know downtown Manhattan well, and that Cruise was never on those streets because Kubrick wasn't, you could surmise that something like that projection process was done.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
The rest of it feels kind of like an 80s video.
yes. specifically this one that has the same plot as EWS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miGUnKWcYeo
i'm always posting about this ha.
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:02 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHB6etnELE
I admire this movie and how it was made a lot more than I like it. Probably my least favourite Kubrick
― mind how you go (Ross), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
Was just with a friend the other day who has been to Sir Ivan's Hamptons Castle on several occasions, including one of the big orgy nights. Fascinating stories.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
Go on...
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
You make my eyesYou make my eyes wide shutYou make my eyes You make my eyes wide shut
Woah-oh-OHWoah-OH-oh
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
is this movie good yet
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
To my eternal regret, I've only ever attended one of their minor orgy nights.
― Alba, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
okay now I refuse to believe EWS wasn't Schnitzler's plot filtered through a Laura Branigan video
― rehab hot (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link
right?
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
That LB's video was directed by William Friedkin and Crusing is also basically about a civil servant's journey into nyc sexual underworld while not getting any bodily-fluid action
― tonga, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
orgies are for savages irrc
― stoker (Ross), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
that's great info, tonga. is cruising any good?
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
wellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR7y7g8h1y4
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
its a neurotic, confused giallo. pacino seems weirdly lost
― tonga, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 19:08 (five years ago) link
I rewatch this every couple of years. I'm not sure how much it has to say--If I were married, maybe it would seem more profound to me. The good thing is, you can also look past all that and just enjoy it as bizarre, good-looking junk. One annoying tic that I really noticed this time is the way 37% of Tom Cruise's lines amount to him repeating what's just been said to him. ("Come inside with me. I just live over there." "Come inside with you?") Weirdness everywhere. When Cruise drops into Nick Nightengale's club for the first time, the waiter asks him if he wants a drink; Cruise asks for a beer, and the waiter goes off to get him a beer. There's no mention of what kind of beer--evidently this particular club only carries one generic beer. And the newspaper headline on the model's overdose: "Ex-beauty queen in hotel drugs overdose." Is that even remotely grammatical?
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 February 2019 15:48 (five years ago) link
Cruise asks for a beer, and the waiter goes off to get him a beer. There's no mention of what kind of beer--evidently this particular club only carries one generic beer.
This is pretty common though no? Feel like there’s a studious avoidance of brand names in film and tv, which I rarely notice except when characters say, “I’ll have a beer” and the server of courses understands immediately.
― omar little, Saturday, 9 February 2019 15:55 (five years ago) link
xp Hmmm... headlines tend to go for brevity rather than strict grammar. And people rarely ask for a specific type of beer in films and TV, so I'm not sure there's much to read into those. I do really like this film a lot though
― frame casual (dog latin), Saturday, 9 February 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link
I've watched it three times waiting for its profundities to reveal themselves, so I've said the hell with it and enjoy it as chic junk.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link
But "drugs overdose"? Who calls a drug overdose a drugs overdose? I've never heard that before...Okay, I guess the beer thing makes sense in terms of avoiding product placement.
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link
I think it's just an issue of expediency in films. No one asks for beer or whiskey by name, just like one says goodbye before they hang up the phone. Though it would be funny if every movie that featured a character asking for a beer involves asking what's on draft, hemming and hawing for a couple of minutes, and then eventually just asking the bartender for a Budweiser or whatever.But yeah, it's also an issue of brands and rights. My wife works in advertising, and whenever we watch any movie or TV show she always comments on what brands are visible and what brands are not visible. She does work for a couple of beer brands in particular, and always notices when a TV bar is branded with, say, Miller products. Miller, for example, is the official beer brand of the FX Network, iirc, so any show you see on FX will likely feature Miller beer. We watched an episode of Russian Doll last night and she was surprised the show was Netflix and not FX, for all the Miller products.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link
"Drugs overdose' ... is that a British thing, like "maths?"
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:08 (five years ago) link
xpost should say "no one says goodbye"
The scene where Kidman gets high and they argue--great scene--maybe that has important things to say about men and woman, although the observations seem pretty standard. It's most profound observation (I'm going to be really male here, sorry) might be the dynamic Cruise brings up: you're determined to have any argument here, right, and you're going to find any old pretext to have one?
(I meant the oddity of the waiter not asking Cruise what kind of beer, not Cruise simply asking for a beer--that's normal.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:11 (five years ago) link
"an argument"
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:13 (five years ago) link
I think "a beer" and "drugs overdose" is perfectly in line with the simulacrum of reality the movie intentionally tries to present. Much has been said about how the movie presents a New York City that is "like" NYC, but somehow off, or genericized
― calumy (rip van wanko), Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link
yep, EWS fails the realism test. How un-Kubrickian.
The stagebound NYC is Schnitzler's Vienna in drag.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:25 (five years ago) link
"junk" is a ludicrous noun to associate with Kubrick. I feel he was slumming with The Shining, but I wouldn't even use that word there.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:27 (five years ago) link
You're splitting hairs here. You've criticized Eyes Wide Shut and The Shining more than anyone here (I actually like both films, so saying I'm not-liking parts of one of them in the wrong way is weird). Treating Kubrick like a sainted artist incapable of prurient junk is much more ludicrous to me.
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:35 (five years ago) link
He was capable of lumbering, flawed films. Not junk.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:42 (five years ago) link
And for what it's worth, I'm not someone who's hung up on realism--the beer and the headline jumped out at me as weird, but EWS's weirdness is, for me, it's primary appeal. Kubrick could sometimes get hung up on realism, though; isn't Barry Lyndon, like Heaven's Gate, infamous for the director's maniacal insistence on getting every last historical detail right?
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link
The commitment to decor and other surface detail intensifies the otherwordliness (see Balzac).
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 February 2019 17:21 (five years ago) link
EWS completely pulls me in every time and scares me deeply. Dream logic obviously fake sets blah blah yeah, but that only gets you so far- there’s something about this movie that actually does make me feel like descending into a nightmare only to be jolted awake by that final “Fuck.”“Drugs overdose” always scanned as Brit English to me.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 9 February 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1755000/images/_1757529_now150.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/8jYvqiy.jpg
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Saturday, 9 February 2019 18:06 (five years ago) link
yes "drugs overdose" v standard British
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 9 February 2019 18:35 (five years ago) link
Point taken--just not something I knew.
The scariest moment in the film for me--or at least the creepiest--is that Cheney-like guy who passes the note to Cruise when he comes back the morning after (with the memorable way he suddenly turns away from the gate after Cruise takes the note).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI0-u-1FYjY
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 February 2019 18:36 (five years ago) link
re uncanny britishisms note that the rolls there has a right-hand drive, and that the note is written in the diction of, like, charles augustus milverton
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 9 February 2019 18:58 (five years ago) link
no doubt these are meaningless artifacts of production before they're anything else but they also happen to work well in a movie about tom cruise having a nightmare about the class system
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 9 February 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link
The Rolls is not a right hand drive. You can see there is a driver in silhouette with a cap who turns around to reverse the car.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Sunday, 10 February 2019 02:33 (five years ago) link
agh the zoom in on the note
i love this movie
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 February 2019 03:49 (five years ago) link
i was thinking of watching this tonight! if i get my work done early enough
― flopson, Sunday, 10 February 2019 04:31 (five years ago) link
may just watch sopranos instead though
it's 5am. I need to see this film again soon. it's only been a year or something..
― frame casual (dog latin), Sunday, 10 February 2019 04:54 (five years ago) link
if Cruise had ordered a Michelob Ultra, many theses would've been written about What It Meant
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 February 2019 05:15 (five years ago) link
Rewatched EWS just before the revive (the blu was cheap).
I still love the gleaming backgrounds and camera work, and still like seeing Cruise repeatedly emasculated. There's some attempted Heart of Glass hypnosis going on during Kidman's baked monologue, and it doesn't work any better for me here. This viewing I noticed just how many monetary transactions are detailed during Dr. Harford's evening odyssey, and found myself keeping a mental tally.
Shining aside, most Kubrick tackles "bigger" issues than the sexual jealousy that underpins this. Sure, the Bilderberg conspiracy orgy comments on social class, but this theme isn't really central. EWS is all escalating symbolic castrations, maybe cosmic correction, maybe karma for Dr. Harford's contemplated infidelity.
I've read Kubrick attempted to adapt Traumnovelle before Barry Lyndon. The perplexing thing for me is that for a passion project, it all seems pretty slight.
― tabloid/petromonarchy alliance (Sanpaku), Sunday, 10 February 2019 05:46 (five years ago) link
One thing I remember enjoying was trying to match the colours used to the wealth and status of the people depicted - from red, wealthy, through to violet, poor. It doesn’t really hold up but it’s fun. Coming up to TWENTY YEARS in July, my god.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 10 February 2019 06:10 (five years ago) link
this film is much more purposefully funny than people give it credit for
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 February 2019 06:29 (five years ago) link
I don't think it's "about" sexual jealousy at all. love, death, pain, identity, the whole damn thing.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 February 2019 06:30 (five years ago) link