1976 Oscar Nominees

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And their titles?

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Here's Dave Kehr on Murder on the Orient Express suggesting that maybe no material requires middlebrow craftsmanship:

"Agatha Christie's novel is nothing more than a sleight-of-hand trick, but you can see how a real artist might have turned it into something interesting: latent in the plotting are the possibilities for a probing critique on the mystery formula and the assumptions that support it. Sidney Lumet isn't that artist: he uses the material only as a pretext for star turns, most of which turn much too heavily and much too slowly (1974)."

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

But apart from Amadeus and The Queen (2006), and, um, I can't think of anything else, do any middlebrow films (including 12 Angry Men and Network) hold a candle to the work of a stylistic genius (emphasis on genius)?

Mitchell Leisen, Joseph Ruben, and lots of films by Wyler come to mind.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll never forgive the Cahiers crowd (abetted by the enfants terribles of seventies cinema) for creating the Cult of the Director.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll give you Leisen although I'm not sure how middlebrow his films are but definitely not Wyler. And I had to look up this Joseph Ruben character. Hmmmm...

And don't blame Cahiers. Iris Barry, Jay Leyda, Harry Alan Potamkin, etc. were on to it well before them.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

How is Wyler not middlebrow? An adapter of intelligent, sometimes "classic" novels, consistent A-list casts, four Best Director trophies...

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh he is. I just don't think any of his flicks hold a candle to the work of a stylistic genius.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

i can't wait to meet this stylistic genius!

s1ocki, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh he is. I just don't think any of his flicks hold a candle to the work of a stylistic genius.

The Heiress >>>>>> Welles' Othello

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Eh I'll just have to go ahead and disagree with you there. But that is one of my fave Wylers. Andy Milligan dug it too.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Stylistic geniuses can be SO boring.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link

TAXI DRIVER owns this. Haven't seen Bound For Glory, but I doubt that matters.

Oym a cripe... Oym a weer-dew... (circa1916), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't really feel like picking among Network, ATPM and Taxi Driver because I dig them all quite a bit. Haven't seen Bound for Glory, and Rocky is surprisingly good for a traditional sports movie.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

KJB, I read the Agatha Christie book around the time Murder on the Orient Express came out, and the only director who would've been able to make that work in '74 might've been Mel Brooks. (hence the MAD parody is one I still remember)

you are such a doctrinaire auteurist, you old-fashioned boy. ;)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

(also Amadeus is one of the worst Forman movies I've ever seen; Hair is better)

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link

xp kjb: whom do you consider a stylistic genius?

giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Well the burden of proof's on you there.

KJB, I read the Agatha Christie book around the time Murder on the Orient Express came out, and the only director who would've been able to make that work in '74 might've been Mel Brooks.

Now that would've been worth seeing!

you are such a doctrinaire auteurist, you old-fashioned boy. ;)

It's true. But then there's Curse of the Cat People, The Seventh Victim, Xanadu, The Apple, Marci X, Romy and Michele's High School Reunion, Crazy in Alabama, Twilight, The Gay Deceivers, Joan Crawford, Adrian, etc.

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 02:23 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, sometimes I exaggerate for effect with you Morbs, but no fucking way Hair is better than Across the Universe (which i haven't seen but looks like ass), much less Amadeus.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh look, there are results.

nu hollywood (Eric H.), Monday, 8 June 2009 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

That's odd. How come there wasn't one of those automatic "poll results are in" posts?

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 8 June 2009 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

five years pass...

All the President's Men over Network, which is no more reactionary and a lot more civilized than Taxi Fucking Driver

benbbag, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 00:41 (nine years ago) link

Even 12 Angry Men is just 12 great performances locked in a room.

― nu hollywood (Eric H.), Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:49 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It may be a tribute to Lumet that you don't notice how much more than that it is

benbbag, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 00:44 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

Showed Network to a crowd last night and it was surprisingly well received.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link

Didn't hurt that the crowd was very full of the core "they don't make them like that anymore" demo.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:25 (six years ago) link

Many bathroom breaks during Beatrice Straight's monologue?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link

Every good word in the English language is in that script.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link

"wainscoting"?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link

Crusty ... but benign.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link

Owen Roizman's nomination doesn't make a lick of sense tho.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link

Two previous nominations... and got one later for Tootsie. They just liked him.

He did the urban grime thing well, as in French Connection and Pelham 123.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link

Word is that cinematography guild was the most insular boys club backscratching branch in that era.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link

Didn't hurt that the crowd was very full of the core "they don't make them like that anymore" demo.

Good news for your audience: Hollywood never stopped making plenty of shrill tirades on "what's the matter with society."

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Friday, 9 February 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link

well Wexler won in '76 for Bound for Glory, gotta give em credit for that. xp

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link

Every good word in the English language is in that script.

― "Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.

"cocksmanship"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 February 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link

Nine years later, I would change my vote from Taxi Driver to All the President's Men.

clemenza, Friday, 9 February 2018 22:23 (six years ago) link

It's cool, I just changed my vote from All the President's Men back to Network and now the two are tied for second place!

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link

It's been a busy day.

clemenza, Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link

wd now write in Mikey and Nicky

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:05 (six years ago) link

I wasn't here 9 years ago, but Taxi Driver is still the best and Network still sucks.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link

were there ever consecutive Best Actress winners who played soulless villains besides Louise Fletcher and Dunaway?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:51 (six years ago) link

Closest case I could determine was Natalie Portman in Black Swan and Streep's Margaret Thatcher.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Saturday, 10 February 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link

Depends on what you think about Katherine Hepburn in On Golden Pond and Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 February 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link

Bette Davis '38/Vivien Leigh '39? Maybe they weren't entirely soulless.

WilliamC, Saturday, 10 February 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link

I wasn't here 9 years ago, but Network is still the best and Taxi Driver still sucks.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 February 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link

you can deconstruct Scarlett O'Hara myriad ways, but she is clearly the heroine of GWTW

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 February 2018 06:44 (six years ago) link

(and so is BD in Jezebel from what i can recall)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 February 2018 06:44 (six years ago) link

btw I have come to the realization that Holden was about 18 months older than I am now when they shot Network, and no one yet has impugned my cocksmanship.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 February 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link

Date more loquacious programming directors with father complexes.

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Monday, 12 February 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

Basically X agrees

Just curious, which of these should've won against ROCKY?

— Eric Henderson (@ephender) February 14, 2024

Rich E. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 February 2024 22:10 (two months ago) link


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