holy cow
― akm, Thursday, 17 April 2008 21:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Like, we're talking almost a decade here.
― fields of salmon, Thursday, 17 April 2008 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link
yeh, you haven't truly hated Apple until you've stared at OS 9 for eight years
― stet, Thursday, 17 April 2008 23:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I miss it.
― Alba, Thursday, 17 April 2008 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link
really? only our shower could replace it with something worse.
― stet, Thursday, 17 April 2008 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
OK, I was not being entirely serious.
What stet doesn't mention is that he's getting new exciting Windows XP in a few weeks time, so the Mozilla-less OS 9 machines will never experience the joy of tabbed browsing.
― Alba, Thursday, 17 April 2008 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm still in denial
― stet, Thursday, 17 April 2008 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link
www.system7today.com
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 17 April 2008 23:57 (sixteen years ago) link
XP is still a good OS, being phased out for purely commercial reasons. I'd definitely prefer that to OS 9.
Still, OSX (and Leopard especially) converted me after being a hardcore PC guy for over 15 years. I've always hated the company, their image and advertising (I still haven't bought an iPod) but recent changes and a growing frustration with Windows finally got me to turn to the dark side.
― Nhex, Friday, 18 April 2008 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link
One hater at a time.
― libcrypt, Friday, 18 April 2008 01:39 (sixteen years ago) link
System 7 was the last Mac OS I used (circa... 1996, maybe?) before going into a long dark night of nothing but Windows, several of those years not even owning a computer. When I came back, OS X was in full swing. I have no idea what OS 9 even looks like. (Maybe I'll search the amazing internet for screenshots!)
― kenan, Friday, 18 April 2008 02:18 (sixteen years ago) link
also, jeezy creezy stet. I will never complain again about our IT department or not having the most current software. (Note: this is a lie.)
― kenan, Friday, 18 April 2008 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link
funny, a few weeks ago I was reading a site that says System 6 is the last true and great Mac operating system.
― dan selzer, Friday, 18 April 2008 04:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Lots of System 6 folks thought that 7 was the apocalypse when it arrived, and perhaps not without justification. The instabilities most folks associate with Mac OS (classic) were properties of systems 7 through 9. E.g., I remember doing layout with Pagemaker on a Mac IIsi in 1986-7, and it never ever crashed or hung up. I don't recall what version of Mac OS system version it was, tho.
― libcrypt, Friday, 18 April 2008 05:22 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know which UK newspapers other than the Guardian use OS X. I was at the G eight years ago when they finally abandoned green screen dumb terminals. 2000 might seem a long time ago now but believe me, even then, green screen felt a lot more WTF LOL than OS 9 does now.
― Alba, Friday, 18 April 2008 08:04 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm not so sure. i spend most of my working day creased up in mirth.
oh, no, hang on: that's agony and loathing.
― grimly fiendish, Friday, 18 April 2008 08:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I liked System 7 best of all. It looked good and had nearly everything I wanted in the Finder. It's a pity that it was of the age where you could really only use computers for actually doing stuff, not just pissing about. If it had a decent browser and iTunes, I'd be back on it in a shot.
(It was also pretty much as stable as System 6 was under MultiFinder. The crashes 7-9 saw were nearly all down to trying to do multi-tasking on a single-tasking OS with no memory protection.)
― stet, Friday, 18 April 2008 10:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Does anybody know if you can run System 7 on a G4 Powerbook?? Yes I am insane.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 April 2008 10:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Not without emulation, no.
― stet, Friday, 18 April 2008 10:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I got a PB 550 (I think) off eBay to run it. Churned out essays with Word 5.1, but getting ILX up on Netscape was an exercise in pain.
― stet, Friday, 18 April 2008 10:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I remember doing layout with Pagemaker on a Mac IIsi in 1986-7, and it never ever crashed or hung up. I don't recall what version of Mac OS system version it was, tho.
probably 6.5.x with multifinder
― Ed, Friday, 18 April 2008 10:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Word 5.1, how I miss it, easily the best edition of MS Word.
Still is on the Mac, but Word 2007 for PC is better, finally. Is first good version of PC Word, too.
― stet, Friday, 18 April 2008 11:07 (sixteen years ago) link
haxor me just got leopard working on an old dual 450! (it's not perfect, but it runs well enough)
― Alan, Friday, 18 April 2008 13:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Not had the pleasure of word 2007 yet, although I think we are about to upgrade from 2000 here.
― Ed, Friday, 18 April 2008 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link
I would guess closer to system 3:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS#Graphical_timeline
― libcrypt, Friday, 18 April 2008 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link
IIsi had to be at least 4.0
― stet, Friday, 18 April 2008 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link
(and if it had MultiFinder it was at least 5.0, which didn't last long before 6 came out)
I think that the Multifinder thing was a guess on Ed's part. But it was certainly a IIsi.
― libcrypt, Friday, 18 April 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
It also had a 21" monochrome Radius display that required a special card. Pops gave it to me in about 97 and I maxed out the RAM to like 24MB or something and put NetBSD on it.
― libcrypt, Friday, 18 April 2008 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Nope. The IIsi initially shipped with System 6.0.7 (which was really just 6.0.5 patched to run on the IIsi and the LC)
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 18 April 2008 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link
http://lowendmac.com/ii/macintosh-iisi.html
Obviously I'm confused about something. Pops DID give me a IIsi; maybe that's not what I used when I worked for him. I moved to Richmond in 1990, and for a year before that, I was washing dishes for a retirement home, so there's no way I was using a IIsi for layout.
― libcrypt, Friday, 18 April 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link
oh yeh, sorry, it's the plain II that used 4.0
― stet, Friday, 18 April 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Bloody hell, the 10.5.3 updater is 420MB!
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link
4:20
― am0n, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
lol update is hueg
But it does say it fixes some issues with Active Directory binding. I haven't gotten full-on LDAPped-up yet, but do ya think that might also help fix the fact that there are hissy fits when mounting and unmounting NFS volumes?
Time will tell, I spose.
― kenan, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Question, and I don't want to ask on the I Hate thread: Is it wrong of me to feel deep within my soul that installing Symantec Norton Anti-Everything on my Mac at work is a stupid fucking thing to do? Am I wrong to suspect that this is another instance of our clueless IT department not understanding that this isn't Windows XP? Am I a bad person if I actually feel a bit insulted?
― kenan, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link
it was only 198MB for me but that is still pretty hoofing.
― Ed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Is it wrong of me to feel deep within my soul that installing Symantec Norton Anti-Everything on my Mac at work is a stupid fucking thing to do?
no, it is a fucking stupid thing to do
― DG, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I wouldn't install norton anti-everything. There was a good article on Ars a while back on the good open source alternatives to stuff like that for Windows, Linux and OS X. An AV-tool is a good thing if only because it'll stop you passing through any windows nasties.
― Ed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah because I spend sooo much time forwarding ppt files with pictures of Jesus to my grandma. Fuck this, I'm not an idiot.
― kenan, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Ran the update and haven't noticed any problems so far, at least.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link
The only problem I've had -- and this happened with the 5.2 update as well -- is that after the update, Time Machine will try to back up the whole system again, and that's dandy, but for some reason if your machine goes to sleep during that first big backup, Time Machine will get stuck and never stop "preparing" to update. Solution: turn off the energy saver and "put hard drive to sleep" features for a while.
― kenan, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link
I was mere suggesting that there might be something that would satisfy your support team and not add a layer of software that will treat you as a moron.
― Ed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link
my brother - who's just got a macbook, his first mac - installed the last update and it somehow messed with his safari, so he's getting 'unable to load nib file' errors every time he tries to open it. And then expecting me to know what to do to fix it. urk.
― permanent resolution, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost Yeah, I know -- there's a nice beardo smart guy that comes around, and I'll ask him what we should use instead. Something lightweight will be fine. There's just no reason for us to be installing this giant suite of "parental controls" and the like -- uh... the OS already does that, but Gee Thanks Symantec!
― kenan, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link
http://clamxav.com/ http://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/five-security-apps-linux-osx-windows.ars/2
― Ed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
here's a similar question: any reason to install antivirus software in a virtualized environment (say, a VMware install of Windows XP)? If I got something I can just wipe that virtual OS out by deleting it and resintall, right? I only have this for browser checks and slsk (which isn't working very well) anyway.
― akm, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 16:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes you can but that is a pain. See the above Ars article for open source windows de crapping tools.
― Ed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link
VMware or Parallels?
― DG, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link