A Thread about the film JFK

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Actually Stone should have directed Hannibal. Now imagine how that would have turned out.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

how about the bit where RFK gets shot on TV and Costner's so disturbed/turned on that he goes upstairs and weeps and fucks Sissy Spacek.

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

It's like that very special episode of Call to Glory, but without the fucking. (Why the hell do I remember these things?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"boss, the president's been shot...in Dallas, about five minutes ago"

"oh...no..."

***shot of sinister clock***

"h-how bad?"

"there's no woid yet, but they think it's in the he-ahd"

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

this movie is SO AWESOME

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's not forget John "King Creole" Candy.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"So, who are we going to cast as the fascist Nixon-supporting gay hustler? I'm thinking Kevin Bacon."

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"you as crazy as your mama!"

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link

"goes to show it's in the genes!"

"You're way out there, boss, taking a crap in the wind, and I for one am not going along on this ride!"

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.themoderatevoice.com/files/joe-stone.jpg

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.musicaos.it/cinecaos/febbraio/jfk_04.JPG

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

what's AWESOME is the director's commentary on the DVD release, where scenes play out and then Stone says, "well eventually we discovered that so and so was in fact not involved in this manner, someone else came forward and said such and such, but it was an interesting theory we had at the time" (which happens about twenty times during the course of the commentary)

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.jfk-online.com/100okeefe.jpg

gear (gear), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

http://teaching.arts.usyd.edu.au/history/hsty3080/3rdYr3080/frames/jfkfilm.jpg

i assume this poster was made for a country where Joe Pesci is more popular than Kevin Costner.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.motelmag.com/movies/images/jfk_candy.jpg

"Is this off the record Daddy-O? Good. In that case, let me sum it up for you real quick. If I answer that question you keep asking, if I give you the name of the big enchilada, you know ... then it's bon voyage Dino. I mean like permanent. I mean like a bullet in my head, you dig? You're a mouse fighting a gorilla. Kennedy is dead as that crab meat. The government's still breathing and you wanna line up with a dead man?"

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

That's some kinda new cancer - I'd say that's a "going out of business
cancer". You got the right ta-ta, but the wrong ho-ho. The government's gonna jump all over your head, Jimbo, and go "cock-a-doodledoo!"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link

more where that came from:

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

the entire shooting script!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

TS: Tommy Lee Jones' hair in JFK vs. Joe Pesci's hair in JFK

x-post YO!

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

LIZ
I think you care more about John Kennedy than
your family! All day long the kids are asking,
"Where's Daddy?" What am I supposed to tell
your kids, Jim!

JIM
I don't know what to tell them. How 'bout the
truth - I'm doing my job to make sure they can
grow up in a country where justice won't be an
arcane, vanished idea they read about in history
books, like the dinosaurs or the lost continent
of Atlantis.

LIZ
That sounds dandy, but it doesn't replace a
father and a husband on Easter Day.

JIM
(angry, turns away)
It's going to get worse, honey.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

http://itsb.ucsf.edu/~vcr/pesci.jpeg

Quote from Pesci about JFK: "[I was happy to see the Supporting Actor nomination go to Tommy Lee Jones.] When I see that I say, I helped. He worked with me and I helped him be good."

You know, I wonder if there's any behind-the-scenes footage in some vault of the filming of the party scene (where Pesci helped Jones be good).

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i bet you its mysteriously "unaccounted for", just like kennedy's brain.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

JIM
They killed him, honey.

LIZ
(groggily)
Huh?

JIM
(strangled)
He won ... and they killed Robert Kennedy. They
shot him down.

LIZ
(realizing, with terror)
Oh no! No! I can't believe it. I can't
believe it. Both of them, both brothers, oh my
God!

She clings to him, horrified. He caresses her hair. They look in each
other's eyes.

LIZ (CONT'D)
You're right, it hasn't ended, has it?

He kisses her gently - They start to make love, numbed, needing each
other, needing their love in an increasingly terrifying world.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, that last part just killed my libido forever.

Here's a question, who should have been the Criswell figure for this film, reading out that stuff as a narrator?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

You think your libido is dead? Here's the scene where Pesci (as Ferrie) helps Jones (as Shaw) be good:

We see the four men in drag, smiling for the flash camera, champagne
bottles in hand. Ferrie sniffs some poppers, then shoves a popper in
Shaw's face.

FERRIE
(to Shaw)
You're mine, Mary. Go get the fucking tools
out, bitch. Now! I want some ass.

Ferrie forces more poppers on Shaw. The camera movies to Shaw's
bedroom, where Ferrie scatters a drawer full of leather tools.

FERRIE (CONT'D)
(to Shaw)
Come here, bitch.
(Ferrie grabs Shaw by the hair)
You want this? The only way you get this is do
what I say.
(Ferrie whacks Shaw)
I'm the man. Don't ever forget it.
(Shaw begs and whines)
You want it? You want it?
(Ferrie spits on Shaw)
Fuck you and your rich friends. You're nothing
but a rich whore! You're my woman! Get the
cat!
(to young man)
Strip! Now, woman. I want to see skin.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Miccio, I want to see skin too. But not yours. *kills self*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:13 (eighteen years ago) link

BILL: I found Clay Bertrand.

They all stop, look.

SUSIE: Who?

BILL: Grab your socks and pull ... Clay Bertrand is Clay Shaw ...

SUSIE(stunned): No! ... Shaw! Director of The Trade Mart? This is incredible.

NUMA: Pillar of the community by day, gay bars at night.

Liz Garrison is the most shaken, as she pours a fresh pot of coffee.

gear (gear), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

First post might be the best capsule review I've ever read.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Beverly is an underused resource in the film:

"Dallas was a slow town back then. You chewed toothpicks, played dominos, spit and dated policemen."

"He said, "Beverly, this is my friend Lee ..." and [INSERT LAUGH THAT SPIKES THE MIC LEVELS HERE] I didn't catch the other guy's name. He was a weird-looking guy with those funny little eyebrows."

"When I saw him tow weeks later on the television, I screamed, "Oh, my God - that's him! That's Jack's friend!"

"If they can kill the President, do you think they're gonna think twice about a two-bit showgirl like me?"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I picture Stone having a good laugh at the scenes where Garrison himself plays Earl Warren... then slapping everyone else and being all "ain't that a corker?"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Pillar of the community by day, gay bars at night.

gear (gear), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

ILX in a nutshell.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i like how Clay Shaw isn't two-sided and sinister because of the bit where he conspired to kill Kennedy, but rather because he's got a taste for Bacon.

gear (gear), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

O'KEEFE
Bring on all the motherfuckers! Bring their
college degrees in here! I got nuthin' to hide.
They can't buy me. You can't buy me. I don't
even need the parole. This is about the truth
coming out. You're a goddamn liberal, Mr.
Garrison, you don't know shit, cause you never
been fucked in the ass. Fascism is here now,
Facism is ...

JIM
No one's trying to buy you, Willie. It's
important to know why you're telling us this.

O'KEEFE
(pauses)
You wanna know why? 'Cause that mother fucker
Kennedy stole that fuckin' election, that's why!
Nixon was gonna be one of the great Presidents
'til Kennedy wrecked this fuckin' country. Got
niggers all over the fuckin' place asking for
their rights, where do you think we got all this
fuckin' crime now, 'cause Kennedy promised 'em
too damned much. Revolution comin'. Fascism's
coming back. I tell ya this - the day that
Communist sumbitch died was a great day for this
country. I jes' hate to think they're blaming
it on some silly fuckin' Oswald who didn't know
shit anyway. People should know why that
sumbitch was killed. 'Cause he was a Communist.
Put me on the stand, go ahead, I'll tell the
same goddamn story, I'm proud of it, don't
matter fuck all to me, things don't change.

As he talks, Jim shares a sickened look with Bill. Whatever truth he
may be telling is necessarily compromised by an attitude that could be
destroyed in court.


I wonder if the shooting script for Year Of The Dragon is available.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

oh man, evidently the movie was originally going to end with X intoning "...and that's the day Vietnam started." I love how if you put all of Stone's movies together they create a larger picture.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

So connect Alexander with Any Given Sunday, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

haha it should have ended with Jim Garrison bumping into a fresh-faced, excited, friendly Tom Berenger.

JIM: Where you off to, son?

BARNES: Vietnam, suh! To fight for a grand cawse.

JIM (eyes moistening, voice choking): You--you be careful there, you hear me?

BARNES (giggles): Don't worry 'bout me, you jus' worry about Charlie!

Jim nods sadly, turns, and walks into history.

X steps into frame and turns to the camera.

X: And that was the day Vietnam started.

gear (gear), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Were there chariots in Alexander? Any Given Sunday had (Roman) chariots.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 24 October 2005 04:32 (eighteen years ago) link

A wheelchair's kinda like a chariot, right?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 24 October 2005 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Yuh know yuhr not a bad lookin' may-uhn, Mistuh Garrisuhn."

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link

So connect Alexander with Any Given Sunday, then.

"Women! Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em."

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
About as subtle as a cockroach crawlin' across a white rug.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Kennedy's as dead as that crab meat, the government's alive and breathing.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"You a mouse fightin' a gorilla!"

(we need gear)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

He'd have about as much use for Russian as a cat has for pajamas!

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesE/thewink.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I lost my shit when I reread gear's "9-11: The Movie" scenario as writen by Oliver Stone.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

BANISTER
A bullshit President! I don't see any weeping
for all the thousands of Cubans that bastard
condemned to death and torture at the Bay of
Pigs. Where are all the tears for the Russians
and Hungarians and Chinese living like slaves in
prison camps run by Kennedy's communist buddies
- All these damned peace treaties! I'm telling
ya Jack, that's what happens when you let the
niggers vote. They get together with the Jews
and the Catholics and elect an Irish bleeding
heart.

MARTIN
Chief, maybe you had a little too much to drink.

BANISTER
Bullshit!
(yells across the room)
Bartender, another round ...
(finishes drink)
Here's to the New Frontier. Camelot in
smithereens. I'll drink to that.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm going to have to watch this again

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link

FERRIE
Oh man, why don't you stop. This is too fuckin'
big for you! Who did Kennedy? It's a mystery
wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma. Even the
shooters don't fuckin' know! Don't you get it
yet? I can't be talking like this. They're
gonna kill me. I'm gonna die!
(he sits down, cracking, sobbing)
I don't know what happened. All I wanted in the
world was to be a Catholic priest - live in a
monastery, study ancient Latin manuscripts,
pray, serve God. But I had this one terrible,
fatal weakness. They defrocked me. And then I
started to lose everything.

He bows his head, holding it in his hands, and his wig starts to come
off in his hands.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link


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