fear is an amazing, embarrassing movie
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Friday, 22 June 2018 00:41 (five years ago) link
Generally, all the characters in erotic thrillers are gross or messed up... they're like the erotic side of noir.
― funzone76, Friday, 22 June 2018 01:04 (five years ago) link
To find the women appealing, you'd have to have an unhealthy attraction to danger and stupidity. Which is sort of the point with a lot of these movies.
― funzone76, Friday, 22 June 2018 01:08 (five years ago) link
there is not a (real) kathleen turner thread, so
this is great: http://www.vulture.com/2018/08/kathleen-turner-in-conversation.html
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link
Do you have sympathy for actors who choose differently?Certainly in terms of film, there is intense pressure to repeat successful characters. I’ll give you an example, but you mustn’t include her name. [Very famous Hollywood actress] has played the same role for 20 years. She even looks pretty much the same. She’s probably one of the richest women out there, but I would shoot myself if I were like that, only giving people what they expect.
Certainly in terms of film, there is intense pressure to repeat successful characters. I’ll give you an example, but you mustn’t include her name. [Very famous Hollywood actress] has played the same role for 20 years. She even looks pretty much the same. She’s probably one of the richest women out there, but I would shoot myself if I were like that, only giving people what they expect.
my guess is Mariska Hargitay (who has only played herself or Olivia Benson in the past twenty years except for two small roles)
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 01:16 (five years ago) link
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/erotic-movies-ranked-worst-to-best/
― calumy (rip van wanko), Friday, 8 March 2019 01:57 (five years ago) link
99% thrillers, obv. (why are so many erotic movies thrillers??)
― calumy (rip van wanko), Friday, 8 March 2019 02:02 (five years ago) link
because if you add a thriller element you can say it's a dark exploration of the human psyche etc and so it has an alibi of semi-respectability, while if you make a happy sexy movie there's no fig leaf for the perving?
I've always found it weird too because dark explorations of the human psyche are kind of a turn-off
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 8 March 2019 10:49 (five years ago) link
The Crush got slept on in this poll.
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 8 March 2019 13:53 (five years ago) link
SHOWGIRLS (1995) 23% #127
lol bye
― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 8 March 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link
Spoilers.
It's not all that erotic, but I took a second look at The Mean Season last night (1985, Kurt Russell/Mariel Hemingway). I recently posted about how good The Grey Fox was on another thread; the Lightbox guy who introduced it talked a bit about Phillip Borsos's career, how he left Hollywood after The Mean Season because he was fed up, and how the movie was quite good.
It's not. It's okay for the first half, starts to get worse, and then the last 15 minutes are terrible. All through the film, the killer (who's in contact over the phone with journalist Kurt Russell) is shot so you can't see his face; it seems to be tipping you off that he's one of two people close to Russell, either his editor or the photographer who works alongside him, and that he's trying to teach Russell a lesson about journalists who gain fame through grisly crime. Suddenly they decide to show him; all the earlier subterfuge had no point at all. And then the killer (Richard Jordan) tries to do some actual acting, and he's awful. Russell (who I almost always like) and Hemingway aren't much better.
― clemenza, Saturday, 30 March 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
im all for the big reveal being that the killer is random more of that
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 March 2019 18:28 (five years ago) link
Has anyone seen Night Train to Venice? I only recently became aware of it - 90’s gothic-erotic thriller involving Neo-Nazis, featuring Hugh Grant, Malcolm McDowell, and Nazi-era German star Kristina Söderbaum. It looks entertainingly batshit but every review I’ve seen basically says “you’d think this would be fun but it’s just awful and boring.”
― JoeStork, Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link
(xpost) I was fine with the randomness of the killer, I just thought the false build-up was unnecessary.
― clemenza, Saturday, 30 March 2019 19:49 (five years ago) link
There used to be multiple copies of these things in every used sale bin for three or four dollars; now whenever I want one, it's some ridiculous price on Amazon or eBay. Three I'm after (they're thrillers--they probably don't fit this thread exactly): Deceived (Goldie Hawn), Eyewitness (Sigourney Weaver/William Hurt), Storyville (James Spader). I saw the first two when they came out, not the third.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 05:08 (three years ago) link
Oh man, I just threw away a copy of Eyewitness a few weeks ago. Watching it recently for the first time, I was kind of surprised that such a solid thriller with an A-list cast has been so completely forgotten... yet it falls rather short of greatness, and I'm in the process of forgetting it myself.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 05:29 (three years ago) link
Damn. I think it was the film Peter Yates made right after Breaking Away.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 05:38 (three years ago) link
Yeah with the writer of Breaking Away as well
― Josefa, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 05:51 (three years ago) link
Keys to Tulsa is the most Spadery Spaderness that ever Spadered.
Storyville is meh in comparison.
― wake me up before you cuomo (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 13:33 (three years ago) link
I feel like William Hurt must have made some bargain with the devil because for a while it seemed like he was in every movie.
― wake me up before you cuomo (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 13:34 (three years ago) link
Actually found Keys to Tulsa cheap, so went ahead and Spadered it. The thing that caught my attention with Storyville is that it's directed by Mark Frost, Lynch's partner on Twin Peaks.
Spader's whole career was just preface to his 12-step guy on Seinfeld.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
The latest (or one of the latest) episodes of How Did This Get Made focuses on "Jade," and there is a lot of talk of erotic thrillers. Pretty funny stuff.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 March 2021 21:24 (three years ago) link
Deceived is on Disney+ (under their new “Star” imprint).
― edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Thursday, 4 March 2021 21:38 (three years ago) link
Damn, don't get it...Jade is a good example of what I mean. New copies sell on Amazon (Canada) for between $100-$600. Ten years ago, you would have found it any flea market or thrift shop for nothing. '90s erotic thrillers are turning into the 13th Floor Elevators and Chocolate Watchband albums of a different universe.
― clemenza, Thursday, 4 March 2021 21:47 (three years ago) link
Apparently (I learned this from the podcast and, later, wiki)
An unrated "director's cut" version featuring additional scenes and more explicit sexual footage with an additional 12 minutes was later released to VHS, though it is now out of print; the theatrical cut was used for the subsequent DVD and Blu-ray editions. The planned unrated versions for DVD, LaserDisc, and Blu-ray were cancelled, due to poor sales of the unrated VHS version.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 March 2021 22:20 (three years ago) link
ty for tip, I greatly enjoyed them trying to decode the plot like The Big Sleep
nb: I have not seen Jade
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 8 March 2021 00:10 (three years ago) link
watched wild things last night. absolutely incredible. i think it's lacking perfect erotic thriller dna but it is a wonderful movie.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 8 March 2021 00:22 (three years ago) link
The Lat Seduction > Body Heat > Jade > Exotica > Thief of Hearts
― wake me up before you cuomo (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 March 2021 00:43 (three years ago) link
*Last
Wild Things is one of those movies you can't quite believe is real while you're watching it, like Road House or Point Break.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 8 March 2021 00:44 (three years ago) link
("The Lat Seduction" was a planned erotic thriller set in the world of high-end personal trainers, but it was stuck in development.)
― wake me up before you cuomo (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 March 2021 00:45 (three years ago) link
i like the last seduction a lot but it was panned by my erotic thriller watch crew. glad i am not alone on that corner.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 8 March 2021 00:54 (three years ago) link
Love Wild Things, but it is perhaps too ironic in its lurid erotic-thrillerness.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 March 2021 00:58 (three years ago) link
They're releasing an extended director's cut with an additional seven meta-twist endings.
― clemenza, Monday, 8 March 2021 01:02 (three years ago) link
I saw Deceived in high school -- weird to think these things were hits
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 March 2021 01:04 (three years ago) link
When we rented Decieved, my dad made me pause it at one point because he was finding it too suspenseful and needed a break (in fairness, I remember it being a bit jumpy in parts). I'll probably watch it again on Disney+ one of these days.
― edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Monday, 8 March 2021 01:37 (three years ago) link
Wild Things is a masterpiece, and I assumed it was just a fluke by writer Stephen Peters, who never had another film produced, or a heavy uncredited rewrite. Until 12 seconds ago, when I read that in 2013, Peters' agent pitched McNaughton on an Amanda Knox-inspired sequel about Neve Campbell and Matt Dillon's kid getting involved in a sex murder while on student exchange with Bill Murray's kid, and they tried to sell it as "Wild Child Things".
So clearly, he's a hard-done-by genius.
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 8 March 2021 02:12 (three years ago) link
hahahah that's amazing
― call all destroyer, Monday, 8 March 2021 02:20 (three years ago) link
Wild Things is pretty out there but Color of Night is BONKERS
― wake me up before you cuomo (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 March 2021 02:25 (three years ago) link
I am now a proud owner of a copy of Wild Things, found a DVD for a buck at AmVets. I made my wife watch it because she'd never seen it and she agreed it was quality pulp. So much fun.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 8 March 2021 03:40 (three years ago) link
I saw a preview screening of Wild Things with a packed theatre of college students, the perfect venue.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 8 March 2021 04:11 (three years ago) link
There are new DVD copies of Jade on Ebay for $20. Amazon always has a range of crazy listings, for whatever reason - people using it as a placeholder, people taking a flier, people using automated repricing that glitches when supply is low.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 8 March 2021 04:24 (three years ago) link
I always check eBay, and you're right, things are cheaper there. It's still bad if you're in Canada--$40-50 by the time you pay shipping and exchange. I just wouldn't pay that much for any DVD, least of all a junky thriller. Once this thing ends, I'll back to scouring thrift stores and such, and it'll turn up before long.
― clemenza, Monday, 8 March 2021 05:48 (three years ago) link
sell on Amazon (Canada) for
If they aren't completed listings, they're not selling for that price. It's literally the equivalent of an op shop putting a $200 sticker on a Beatles LP.
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 8 March 2021 06:16 (three years ago) link
Color of the Night: staggeringly, monumentally awful. I really didn't know much going in. "Richard Rush? Oh, he directed The Stunt Man--that's supposed to be pretty good." About half an hour in, I started to wonder if it won any Razzies (not particularly meaningful, except maybe as confirmation of something you're sitting there thinking yourself). It did--worst picture--and had a bunch of other nominations. Including one that gave away the supposed big twist. Not sure how to take the two votes above. I didn't find it Ed Wood funny or anything--I derisively laughed a few times.
― clemenza, Saturday, 27 March 2021 17:13 (three years ago) link
Bad-film aficionado Nathan Rabin wrote quite a funny piece on that. My personal remembrance of the film is only that it was playing at the only cinema in Peterborough the last time I was there.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 27 March 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link
Oh, no doubt. It's a really terrible movie, but I can't quite imagine a world that doesn't include it.
Its awfulness is as clemenza says: monumental. The low-rent-Shyamanliness of the OmG TwIsT EnDInG is impressively bad.
Even the sex - which seemed rather racy at the time - seems bad in retrospect.
But just the fact that it exists - that a whole bunch of people heard the pitch or read the script or whatever, and said "wow, sounds great" - is just kind of impressive.
― calzone layer (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 27 March 2021 20:12 (three years ago) link
I think I felt most sorry for Rubén Blades--talk about a thankless role (which I'd like to believe would never happen in a studio film today; probably not true). Lance Henriksen and Kevin J. O'Connor quite awful too. Brad Dourif and Leslie Ann Warren didn't embarrass themselves. Willis and Jane March...Willis was sometimes okay and sometimes painfully over-the-top. I've never seen Jane March in anything else, so I don't know if she's any kind of actress. You wouldn't want to answer that question with this as your sole evidence.
― clemenza, Saturday, 27 March 2021 20:46 (three years ago) link
I bought a copy of Chloe at a thrift store today. Wikipedia: "Chloe is a 2009 erotic thriller film directed by Atom Egoyan..." I find that funny in much the same way as this famous bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CNyzdmXhe0
― clemenza, Saturday, 27 March 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
It's probably closer to the mark generically than, say, The Adjuster.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 27 March 2021 21:01 (three years ago) link