POLL Those Years Ago: The Beatles Solo Careers Poll Results Thread

The George discussion makes me realize something great about this poll:

That for all the mini-discoveries in these dudes’ catalogues—and there are some really cool ones—their solo careers tell us very little about them we didn’t already know – if anything they pretty much reinforced these views.

I mean, Paul was the mildly adventurous but ultimately vapid tunesmith we suspected he was in the Beatles – he spent another forty years mining mindless pop. John was a lazy cunt – he pissed away half his time left on the earth (and retired from music the other five years ha ha). Ringo was in the right place at the right time – he literally had nothing to offer musically or otherwise absent the others. And George, well, he was a sourpuss millionaire – if there were a word for the face one makes when it smells bad cheese it would be Harrison.

And yet, together they still formed the greatest band there ever was and will be. Amazing.

lol yeah that is generally true

although it did make me think more about Paul and how deeply strange and vacant he is. the other three, I feel like I can relate to them on some level as people - they present as recognizable human personalities/types with characteristics that I can recognize both in others and myself - Paul is a Reagan-esque nullity.

(the above has no bearing on the quality of the music, if that's not clear. plenty of inscrutable vacuums have made great music, and I don't need to "relate" to an artist to find their work engaging)

Paul is a Reagan-esque nullity

No he isn't. And you guys repeat the same line over and over again about forty years of mindless pop when he has been a different artist for two decades at least.

if there's a person in there with definable opinions and emotions, I can't discern it. I stand by my previous comments:

Coming to the conclusion that Paul is definitely the *weirdest* Beatle, he's kind of inscrutable in his stoner randomness and bad judgment.

... Macca is the funkiest and most versatile Beatle but also the weirdest and most inscrutable, always hiding behind schmaltz or nonsense or charm, which makes him seem like he’s not all there. Like, of all of them he seems the least like a real person in his work, he’s like a strange caricature.

he really loved Linda, and the idea of love in general. that's all I got.

in other news, I am fond of the word inscrutable. INSCRUTABLE, I say!

And that characterization applies to, say, Thrillington? To Standing Stone? To the Blackbird poetry collection? To his paintings? To the Fireman records? To Chaos and Creation in the Backyard?

There are several degrees of nuance describing a willingness to use craftsmanship as a shield and screen than calling someone a Reagan-nite nullity.

for one, Reagan was a sociopath.

btw for all the talk of Macca as the nullity George never once cracked in the interviews I've seen -- never once gushed about what John meant to him. The closest is the line in "All Those Years Ago": "Living with good and bad/I always looked up to you." Whatever he felt about John -- whatever gradations of love and hate and regret -- he kept to himself.

I stole the Reagan ref from you lol

I know -- I was wrong.

Honesty in Harrison's self-probing, though, for sure in songs from Cloud Nine and Brainwashed.

XP

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he pissed away half his time left on the earth

yes raising your son rather than recording albums for people that think you are "a lazy cunt" is def pissing away your life

It's been decades since I watched the Imagine doc. Love the evil look in Lennon's eyes as he plays How Do You Sleep for Harrison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9067LQORNQ

Lennon could've played Harrison's slide part himself, so I don't doubt he recruited Harrison on purpose.

yes raising your son rather than recording albums for people that think you are "a lazy cunt" is def pissing away your life

its fun to argue with things/jokes people say by cutting off half their sentence to make it look like they said the exact opposite

Did people think Lennon was lazy? I feel like he did quite a lot! I suppose he did stay in bed for a while.

In the mid sixties, dropping acid like Tic Tacs, he'd hole up in his Weybridge house but he was always recording shit.

Did people think Lennon was lazy? I feel like he did quite a lot! I suppose he did stay in bed for a while.

iirc everybody seemed to think he was lazy, but he didn’t mind, he thought they were crazy

Ha ha - of course.

Just passing through, but enjoying reading some of the latest posts, particularly from NTI and Shakey.

damn shame this didn't make it on ATMP or Material

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2rFr0DyQcg

when i was writing abt
lennon/ono blues and politics 68-71-ish earlier in the month, my takeaway was honestly being a bit startled how MUCH they got done in that period: several LPs, several art-pol stunts, gallery stuff, as well as getting the beatle divorce sorted and moving to america

How good is I'm Carrying? I must've heard it before but that's my big (re)discovery from this excellent poll.

It's good -- very much in keeping with Paul's other acoustic numbers throughout the 70s, which are almost all aces:

Mama's Little Girl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ACW8TUEqUw
Love In Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LcSIS_h1gE
I'm Carrying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkrIg1d_s58

We're Open Tonight isn't quite in those songs' league, as it's a bit more slight, but still very good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pclzML3LW8w

https://www.paulmccartney.com/news-blogs/news/paul-to-release-all-new-double-side-single

:D

So this poll led me down a solo Beatle rabbit hole and I watched this last night:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07938WKMW

Any Amazon Prime members here might really enjoy it. It follows J & P throughout the seventies and features Klaus Voorman, Denny Laine and whole other host of ex-Wings members.

Thanks Darin - enjoyed this despite every single one of the talking heads being an old white guy! The ex-bandmates were fine, but some of the rock writers I could do without (sorry, Xgau).

Ended up watching the others in the series (which covers 1958-1980) too.

Just discovered this Paul McCartney solo podcast by accident – it's surprisingly good, hosted by two real McCartneyheads who go through one album an episode (or two). Have only listened to the Ram ones so far but I learned a lot.

https://takeitawaypodcast.com

this is really good, way to go paul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aef2eV7GmQw

Just discovered this Paul McCartney solo podcast by accident – it's surprisingly good, hosted by two real McCartneyheads who go through one album an episode (or two). Have only listened to the Ram ones so far but I learned a lot.

https://takeitawaypodcast.com

― Alba, Wednesday, June 20, 2018

awesome, thanks!

I of course listened to the Press to Play podcast first.

yeah i'm excited to get into that macca podcast and i hate podcasts

same

i wish podcast episodes weren't 28 hours long each, though

this is really good, way to go paul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aef2eV7GmQw

It is!

Other track's no slouch either. Drums are mixed high, is Ringo involved?

Macca sounding oddly like E from Eels there.

OK these guys despise "Press," fuck them

new Paul is cool stuff. i like "Come On to Me", the chorus sounds like something Beck might come up with if he didn't suck nowadays

So this poll led me down a solo Beatle rabbit hole and I watched this last night:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07938WKMW🕸

Any Amazon Prime members here might really enjoy it. It follows J & P throughout the seventies and features Klaus Voorman, Denny Laine and whole other host of ex-Wings members.

Stoked on these new songs, guys. <3

Pretty solid song (v white album IMO) but god, that video, like someone made it on a dare to produce the shittiest imaginable promo

From the email that went out:

Sharing a title with one of Paul’s own paintings, Egypt Station is the first full album of all-new McCartney music since 2013’s international chart-topping NEW. Preceded by two of its tracks just released as double A-sides - plaintive ballad 'I Don’t Know' and raucous stomper 'Come On To Me' - Egypt Station was recorded between Los Angeles, London and Sussex, and produced (with the exception of one Ryan Tedder track) by Greg Kurstin (Adele, Beck, Foo Fighters).

Of the forthcoming album’s enigmatic title, Paul says, “I liked the words ‘Egypt Station.’ It reminded me of the ‘album’ albums we used to make... 'Egypt Station' starts off at the station on the first song and then each song is like a different station. So it gave us some idea to base all the songs around that. I think of it as a dream location that the music emanates from.”

True to the inspiration behind its title, Egypt Station ’s 14 songs combine to convey a unique travelogue vibe. Between the opening and closing instrumentals 'Station I' and 'Station II', each song finds Paul capturing a place or moment before transporting the listener seamlessly to the next destination. Stops along the way include an acoustic meditation on present day contentedness ('Happy With You'), a timeless anthem that would fit on virtually any album of any McCartney era ('People Want Peace'), and an epic multi-movement closer clocking in at seven minutes with a song suite structure harkening back to the days of Paul’s previous combos ('Despite Repeated Warnings'). The result is a kaleidoscopic journey through myriad musical locales and eras, yet firmly rooted in the here and now - with Paul’s singular unmistakeable melodic and lyrical sensibility serving as a guide.

(with the exception of one Ryan Tedder track)

nooooooooo

I thought I posted this but I didn’t. I enjoyed it as well. Who knew Amazon had so many Beatles documentaries? (but still not The Compleat Beatles, which was my introduction to them but I believe has been pulled out of circulation)

yeah, these are pretty great. I ended up watching all four docs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSGlnXRHLZo

anyone seen this? Paul is unusually forthright.

"I Don't Know" almost sounds like the tune Jimmy Fallon says he tried to pitch him, around 4 min in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40dnEuHWySU

Cool interview, Alfred!

LADS

I'M AT A DJ NIGHT AT A BAR RN AND THEY'RE PLAYING "TEMPORARY SCRETARY" AND IT'S RULING....

SECRETARY