POLL Those Years Ago: The Beatles Solo Careers Poll Results Thread

See also: Dave Edmunds

I hear what you're saying, Idol, but George's pinched, naturally sardonic approach comes through. ELO wouldn't have come up with "Fish on the Sand," "Cloud Nine," or "Devil's Radio," not to mention the ukelele stuff on Brainwashed.

"If That's What It Takes" and "When We Was Fab" sound like truer Lynne-Harrison collabs, agreed

I'd disagree on a few things. "Devil's Radio" (which I like) has the "Don't Bring Me Down" groove and the Jeff Lynne Tabernacle Choir in support. Even the way George sings the climactic "the Devil's radio!" sounds like Lynne's phrasing.

But that's the thing, isn't it? You wouldn't blink an eye if it were Lynne singing most of these tunes instead. His whole ethos is the "Beatles" but in most cases, it's some weirdly genericized version that doesn't exactly correlate to any specific Beatles song (tho "When We Was Fab" sounds like its backing track was assembled from Magical Mystery Tour MIDI files). Sure, there's drips and drabs of "George" throughout these records--pinched vox, pinched slide guitar--but it wouldn't shock me if Lynne actually played some of these parts himself such was his mastery and subsumation of all these disparate elements.

And the funny thing is, there's probably as much George on these records as there are on the rest of his catalogue. Which is to say, I agree with you that some of these songs could only have been done by George. But where the previous albums all had long stretches of uninspired songwriting, disinterested performances and poor singing, the blank spaces on these records just have Lynne filling the gaps, who is nothing if not a pro's pro.

iirc, in response to the clamoring for a reunion in the '70s, John Lennon said something once like, "If you want new Beatles music, just go buy some ELO records."

You wouldn't blink an eye if it were Lynne singing most of these tunes instead

Well, maybe, but it would never occur to Lynne to write lyrics like "Devil's Radio" or "Wreck of the Hesperus." And remember: George had proved himself rather well in the Beatles and solo as an arranger of brass instruments.

Brainwashed sounds less like classic Lynne to me.

Naturally, I think his Dark Horse era of 33 1/3 through Gone Troppo is just as inspired a period.

the previous albums all had long stretches of uninspired songwriting

And this ends for me with Extra Texture

In fact, I wonder how much a familiarity with those late '70s/early '80s albums can inform an understanding of that question - how much George is in Cloud Nine? That has not been one of my favorite Harrison albums, but I'm due to give it another listen.

ET is pretty bad. i like "You" though even if the vocals are kinda fried.

I think I said it on the noms thread but "You" is a great song that was clearly written for someone else (Ronnie) to sing, and George wasn't up to the task

he definitely had some bad years in there voice-wise.

"That's What It Takes" I could hear done in the style of, say, the '79 self-titled album, minus a few of the Lynne touches.

And if Eric Clapton had played on it...

"Fish on the Sand" and "This Is Love" are OK songs but the elaborate production elements do at times feel like "filling the gaps" to me, too. I like retro guitar sounds but sometimes these strike me as generic.

"When We Was Fab" is a triumph of the style, though!

Other than that synthed up middle eight, Fish is pretty plain!

So many guitars on that.

Like as many as Murmur, but it's not as good as Murmur

The synth break in "This Is Love" is great. That's a different dimension in synth use than the synth use in Harrison's late '70s/early '80s records, but in a way synths in general feel more key to those records than they do to this one.

Wouldn't mind hearing "Wreck of the Hesperus" produced in the style of the Hoagy Carmichael tunes on Somewhere in England.

The George discussion makes me realize something great about this poll:

That for all the mini-discoveries in these dudes’ catalogues—and there are some really cool ones—their solo careers tell us very little about them we didn’t already know – if anything they pretty much reinforced these views.

I mean, Paul was the mildly adventurous but ultimately vapid tunesmith we suspected he was in the Beatles – he spent another forty years mining mindless pop. John was a lazy cunt – he pissed away half his time left on the earth (and retired from music the other five years ha ha). Ringo was in the right place at the right time – he literally had nothing to offer musically or otherwise absent the others. And George, well, he was a sourpuss millionaire – if there were a word for the face one makes when it smells bad cheese it would be Harrison.

And yet, together they still formed the greatest band there ever was and will be. Amazing.

lol yeah that is generally true

although it did make me think more about Paul and how deeply strange and vacant he is. the other three, I feel like I can relate to them on some level as people - they present as recognizable human personalities/types with characteristics that I can recognize both in others and myself - Paul is a Reagan-esque nullity.

(the above has no bearing on the quality of the music, if that's not clear. plenty of inscrutable vacuums have made great music, and I don't need to "relate" to an artist to find their work engaging)

Paul is a Reagan-esque nullity

No he isn't. And you guys repeat the same line over and over again about forty years of mindless pop when he has been a different artist for two decades at least.

if there's a person in there with definable opinions and emotions, I can't discern it. I stand by my previous comments:

Coming to the conclusion that Paul is definitely the *weirdest* Beatle, he's kind of inscrutable in his stoner randomness and bad judgment.

... Macca is the funkiest and most versatile Beatle but also the weirdest and most inscrutable, always hiding behind schmaltz or nonsense or charm, which makes him seem like he’s not all there. Like, of all of them he seems the least like a real person in his work, he’s like a strange caricature.

he really loved Linda, and the idea of love in general. that's all I got.

in other news, I am fond of the word inscrutable. INSCRUTABLE, I say!

And that characterization applies to, say, Thrillington? To Standing Stone? To the Blackbird poetry collection? To his paintings? To the Fireman records? To Chaos and Creation in the Backyard?

There are several degrees of nuance describing a willingness to use craftsmanship as a shield and screen than calling someone a Reagan-nite nullity.

for one, Reagan was a sociopath.

btw for all the talk of Macca as the nullity George never once cracked in the interviews I've seen -- never once gushed about what John meant to him. The closest is the line in "All Those Years Ago": "Living with good and bad/I always looked up to you." Whatever he felt about John -- whatever gradations of love and hate and regret -- he kept to himself.

I stole the Reagan ref from you lol

I know -- I was wrong.

Honesty in Harrison's self-probing, though, for sure in songs from Cloud Nine and Brainwashed.

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he pissed away half his time left on the earth

yes raising your son rather than recording albums for people that think you are "a lazy cunt" is def pissing away your life

It's been decades since I watched the Imagine doc. Love the evil look in Lennon's eyes as he plays How Do You Sleep for Harrison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9067LQORNQ

Lennon could've played Harrison's slide part himself, so I don't doubt he recruited Harrison on purpose.

yes raising your son rather than recording albums for people that think you are "a lazy cunt" is def pissing away your life

its fun to argue with things/jokes people say by cutting off half their sentence to make it look like they said the exact opposite

Did people think Lennon was lazy? I feel like he did quite a lot! I suppose he did stay in bed for a while.

In the mid sixties, dropping acid like Tic Tacs, he'd hole up in his Weybridge house but he was always recording shit.

Did people think Lennon was lazy? I feel like he did quite a lot! I suppose he did stay in bed for a while.

iirc everybody seemed to think he was lazy, but he didn’t mind, he thought they were crazy

Ha ha - of course.

Just passing through, but enjoying reading some of the latest posts, particularly from NTI and Shakey.

damn shame this didn't make it on ATMP or Material

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2rFr0DyQcg

when i was writing abt
lennon/ono blues and politics 68-71-ish earlier in the month, my takeaway was honestly being a bit startled how MUCH they got done in that period: several LPs, several art-pol stunts, gallery stuff, as well as getting the beatle divorce sorted and moving to america

How good is I'm Carrying? I must've heard it before but that's my big (re)discovery from this excellent poll.

It's good -- very much in keeping with Paul's other acoustic numbers throughout the 70s, which are almost all aces:

Mama's Little Girl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ACW8TUEqUw
Love In Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LcSIS_h1gE
I'm Carrying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkrIg1d_s58

We're Open Tonight isn't quite in those songs' league, as it's a bit more slight, but still very good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pclzML3LW8w

https://www.paulmccartney.com/news-blogs/news/paul-to-release-all-new-double-side-single

:D