Recent Bourdain Parts Unknown episode on Hong Kong I just saw was interesting to me on how "old" Hong Kong is being knocked down, etc. and on food and fishing villages and politics. Some of the things Dylannn mentioned yesterday.
I haven't been there.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 11 June 2018 14:54 (five years ago) link
i know arriving in hong kong for the first time in 2006, i had arrived too late to see all of the buildings and the ways of life that disappeared in the postwar boom, up through the 1990s. from that visit in 2006, visiting maybe once a year since, more often when i was in guangzhou, most recently last year, i can feel a difference, though, not just in the, like, physical city but in the feel, maybe? maybe it's because i have a romantic attachment to the city and also follow what's been done there politically.
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 11 June 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
whining about gentrification as a tourist in hong kong is not what i want to do, though, like complaining its not a perfect museum. even though it's a symptom of a bad things happening in hk it looks bad. i tried writing a long post about walking between sheung wan and shek tong tsui in 2006 vs 2017 to clarify something but my unfamiliarity and mixed emotions were showing. that's it. deleted rest of a long rambling post.
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 11 June 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
Been here for two days and have already changed plans to nix Shanghai and stay here for a few days more before heading to Beijing. I think I can simultaneously hold all three “this city is special,” “you should have been here years ago,” and “gentrification has ruined the place” perspectives at the same time.Buildings older than 1990 stand out from the scene like old appendixes, there are more $200K cars here than Beverly Hills, and the construction along the train line down from Shenzhen is indistinguishable from SimCity at 10x the speed. OTOH, had an all-time great meal somewhere here at 3am, had a cab ride with a driver who insisted that we all sing “California Dreaming” together when he learned we were from LA, and goddamn.... killer Hedgehog show at This Town Needs. Going out the hotel door is insane and great.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 18 June 2018 03:31 (five years ago) link
good choice. dig deeper into hk.
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 18 June 2018 07:04 (five years ago) link
lol ironically when I hear “California Dreamin” it is intrinsically linked w “Chungking Express” and nothing else. That would have been so surreal for me.
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 29 June 2018 04:18 (five years ago) link
I understand why people miss Hong Kong. I miss Hong Kong.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 02:01 (five years ago) link
i too miss hong kong
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link
Thirded, and I’ve only spent three days there!
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
revive? or is there another thread to discuss HK?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:52 (four years ago) link
穹顶之下: Rolling 中华人民共和国 / People's Republic of China (PRC) Thread
some mentions on here
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
I always forget how staggeringly Western ILX is (unless it is the middle east)...
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link
at least they've got one region sorted :p
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:44 (four years ago) link
When these protesters are waving British colonial flags or stars and stripes i don't what to say tbh
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:47 (four years ago) link
I've been there a few times, AMA
― maffew12, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:51 (four years ago) link
I recommend a very long recent episode of the "Grubstakers" podcast on HK that eventually goes into the highly diverse makeup of the protesters
― maffew12, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:52 (four years ago) link
(ideologically speaking)
― maffew12, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:53 (four years ago) link
a lot of the familiar human grievances behind these protests get lost in all the noise, which is very sad.
― calzino, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link
I work with a guy from Hong Kong and he's been back and forth to there quite a lot recently but I've never actually heard him talking about what's going on.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:00 (four years ago) link
Even where I am (chile) one of the Taiwanese pollo places got fucked with by the here Chinese because the restaurant had a HK support sign.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
unless you are buddies, I'm not sure I'd bother to bring it up. I feel like I have a decent grasp of it but it is in essence a very confused thing. Daily life goes on basically as normal, it isn't the battleground you get the picture of sometimes
― maffew12, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
xp
Yes, we don't have that kind of relationship, he's not really a hanging out kinda guy.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:07 (four years ago) link
You could just ask him if his family is all in HK and if they are ok.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:12 (four years ago) link
They are, that's why he goes back!
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 23:23 (four years ago) link
I haven't been following closely but have been seeing bits via twitter. There's this thread instigated by an American who's spent a lot of time in Hong Kong during the riots. I feel slightly wary of the outsider perspective on something that's probably changed character in quite complex ways since its started - he's very supportive of the protests and Hong Kong culture in a way that seems to skew things a bit sometimes, but it seems like a useful summary:
SHAME-FREE thread: ask the dumbest question you have about the Hong Kong protests. I'll try to answer it or loop in a real Hong Konger to answer it for you. No question too ignorant or basic.— Pinboard (@Pinboard) October 15, 2019
He also wrote this quite nice piece on the mechanics of protest.
A Walk in Hong Kong
I found this Chuang piece on the perspective from within China an interesting and useful perspective, with wider application to how government can control media, and how absence of information doesn't mean that there's a gap from which you can infer correctly what's going on, more that you get stuck on an axis of the controlled government messaage and confusion.
Why are informed Beijingers increasingly baffled by the struggle in Hong Kong?
There's a useful timeline if slightly annoyingly presented here.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 17 October 2019 05:35 (four years ago) link
reusing this thread to offset some air miles
theres no real reason to avoid a layover in HK airport in the next few months.....right?
― Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 January 2020 13:13 (four years ago) link
people i know have been through hong kong airport fine over the last month. i almost did as well, but then went via dubai, because of the same doubts as you, which was a) in retrospect a bit silly and b) the rong decision because dubai airport is horrible and i quite like hong kong airport as airports go (good food options and cheap electronics).
― Fizzles, Saturday, 4 January 2020 08:21 (four years ago) link
excellent, seeing as we booked regardless
― Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Saturday, 4 January 2020 10:34 (four years ago) link
reusing this thread to offset some air milestheres no real reason to avoid a layover in HK airport in the next few months.....right?― Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 January 2020 13:13 (six months ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Thursday, 2 January 2020 13:13 (six months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Oh my
― Covfefe and TV (ken c), Saturday, 1 August 2020 00:59 (three years ago) link