this is why shit's going down and it's not a metaphor lol
idk, i still think it's a metaphor -- it was comforting to movie viewers to know [spoiler about the certain point] because it got them through the harrowing nature of the situation, but i don't think of it as "a story" as much as a distillation of the horrors of heredity, which we all grapple with to some degreei certainly felt massive lingering horror as i looked at boxes of personal/family ephemera the morning after i saw it
like A Quiet Place was family-centered horror of a narrow scope with one family and clear monsters; Hereditary seemed to be a more all-encompassing look at the horror of family and things that are hereditary
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
...or just a witch story with bonus family horror contentwhichever you prefer
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
My wife has had multiple friends call it a hot mess, which surprised me.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
idk people are going to recoil at what disturbs them, and there were plenty of disturbing ideas and images in this movie
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:56 (five years ago) link
recoil *from rather
I had a suspicion this was less "scary" than it was "intense" (or some other more psychological equivalent).
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
people in my theater were complaining about the ending on the way out but i think the last 10-20 minutes are what take it from very good to best horror film i've seen in a long time.
(vague spoilers follow)
while i see where they're coming from it's annoying when people bring up the horror respectability politics angle of "oh, it's really a kitchen table family drama disguised as a horror film" and i think the fact that they really Went There with the ending is so great, you CAN have a brilliantly acted and shot story about family and heredity and grief that also has an insanely metal climax
― oiocha, Sunday, 10 June 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
oh yeah -- it's not disguised as a horror film, it is for sure a horror film
i think the fact that they really Went There with the ending is so great, you CAN have a brilliantly acted and shot story about family and heredity and grief that also has an insanely metal climaxagree, otm
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 June 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
ha, yes, so metal! i liked that too.
― Nhex, Sunday, 10 June 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
the first half is intense/upsetting, the (better) second half is scary
― na (NA), Sunday, 10 June 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
Yeah I didn't find the Peter character to be reliable at all so the whole metal ending functions very well with the subtext of the film.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 11 June 2018 00:33 (five years ago) link
honestly the movie should probably get its own thread - other recent horror flicks of note have
― Simon H., Monday, 11 June 2018 00:40 (five years ago) link
I don't watch much horror lately, haven't seen Babadook, Witch, Quiet Place, etc., but went to Hereditary with my aspiring filmmaker son last night and we were both very impressed. Certainly not "scariest thing ever" but also certainly not "a hot mess" either. Many scenes will linger with me a long time.
― even in your onion (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link
Oh, and also, yes Toni Collette was amazing.
― even in your onion (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link
i think i liked the vvitch more than anyone else did
― na (NA), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link
The VVitch is V V high in my esteem tbh
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
Loooooooved VVitch!!!
So much that I followed a stupid Black Phillip account on twitter and attempted to make Black Phillip jokes irl lol
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link
Yeah, The VVitch is great. I want to see Hereditary and Upgrade but will have to wait for Amazon Prime in both cases.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
can't think of a post 2005 horror movie i like more than the vvitch
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
hereditary was great though. both are much better than babadook et al
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link
i still want to make my The Marmadook parody
xpost i definitely tried to make black philip jokes irl
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
did yours land? mine did not. my friend asked me why i was talking in a weird accent and i had to explain it. lol
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
upgrade is really good (i liked it so much i started a thread about it) but i would not call it a horror movie (though it has some horror elements for sure)
― na (NA), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
still my fave of the nu-school US horror flicks
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
glad i am not alone in my appreciation for T H E V V I T C H
― na (NA), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
yeah it's definitely the best of recent years
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
Very last shot aside, big vote for the vvitch here, too.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
of the higher-profile supernatural horror flicks of the last few years I would go vvitch > babadook > hereditary > [enter Mike Flanagan movie of yr choice here] >> it follows
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
Also The VVitch fan.
But calling bullshit on that ranking. It Follows is also excellent. Babadook is the one that struck me as wildly overrated.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
last shot is awesome imo
I guess I should see Hereditary
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
I should have added ">>>> IT" to that list
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
also why is everyone leaving Get Out off their recent greats lists
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:19 (five years ago) link
because no one likes it
― na (NA), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
Get Out is v good but it doesn't register as a horror film to me I guess? More of a satire with horror flourishes
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
lol NA
― circa1916, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
nothing against you Simon, but why do people always bring up the "it's not really a horror movie" argument. even for HEREDITARY! horror can be a lot of things
― Nhex, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
The Witch and The Invitation are both movies I loved that I want to see again with my wife just to watch her reactions.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
The VVitch isn't really horror it's historical fiction with some horror elements
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
thanking u for screen name
― a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
the VVitch is definitely horror I'd say.
― My name is the Pope and in the 90s I smoked a lot of dope (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
I wasn't trying to classify it, just explain why it didn't occur to me to throw it in that ranking. It feels too tonally different to compare to those other movies.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link
I'm not at all into genre purism either
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
we've probably discussed A Quiet Place but I can't load up the whole thread to see. did ILX enjoy it? despite a few VERY OBVIOUS bits of exposition I did like it
― My name is the Pope and in the 90s I smoked a lot of dope (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link
planning on renting it but didn't get to see it in the theater
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
i didn't enjoy it much. it was too heavily reliant on traditional family values and monsters. i'm sure it was well made but the ideas themselves seemed pretty obvious (must protect my family!) and not interesting to me personally. comparatively, as far as family-themed horror, Hereditary is deeper/more interesting than A Quiet Place. they did both have weird looking girl characters though! i won a bet with my husband that they were not the same girl (before we saw Hereditary)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link
it was entertaining enough in the theater but it's not great - way more one-dimensional and not as well thought-out as the other movies we're discussing rn
― na (NA), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 21:23 (five years ago) link
i dug A Quiet Place a lot. very simple, low budget, b-movie type premise, super well executed imo. not much more than that, but for traditional jump scare/apocalypse land it got an A from me
― Nhex, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
I'm probably missing a bunch of stuff, but I think I'd have Kill List as my benchmark for horror this decade.
Get Out felt like a bit of a Robert Aickmann love letter to me, so definitely horror.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 07:16 (five years ago) link
Yes Kill List is how more horrors / creepy films should be
― My name is the Pope and in the 90s I smoked a lot of dope (dog latin), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 07:58 (five years ago) link
Loved The Witch, agree that Kill List is by far Wheatley's best film, and also thought Babadook was massively overrated and bad.
Avoided Quiet Place at the cinema because I was worried it was the kind of film that could easily be ruined by a chatty audience.
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 08:00 (five years ago) link