Shall we maybe anticipate David Gordon Green and Danny McBride's HALLOWEEN sequel/reboot?

i'm... cautiously enthusiastic

but i am doomed to see it no matter what tbh

what a weird career dgg had had so far

i actually didn't realize he'd made any other non danny mcbride blockbuster movies in recent years but apparently he has. Obv those big studio films pay well, and I'm sure he does them because he and McBride are good friends. but it's still weird, like if Terrence Malick decided to do a remake of Beverly Hills Cop

Great idea!

His first three movies - George Washington, Undertow, and All the Real Girls, left a huge impression on me as a young cinephile. And then...

Does McBride play Michael?

No, he doesn't appear to be in it. Nick Castle still plays Michael, with another actor credited, presumably handling the more physically demanding stuff.

err I should say "returns as Michael/The Shape". Look at that filmography!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Castle

premiere at Toronto fest, it seems

https://www.tiff.net/tiff/halloween/

Oh cool!

like if Terrence Malick decided to do a remake of Beverly Hills Cop

The internal monologues...

Terence malick would focus on leaves a lot and kill anything interesting about Beverly Hills cop

Walking through Bijan

This mohair...
This silk...
Who made it?
What goes in the sleeves?
The pocket?
The cut?
Of a man?
A cop?

Lol

this also reminds me that there was an episode of Love on netflix where they wound up at the house of the guy who originally played Mike Meyers. One of the funnier episodes.

discussion of Halloween Grandma

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-halloween-left-some-viewers-disappointed-credits-rolled-1154053

this is getting panned by everyone I trust

Seriously. I was tempted at first, but when I think AVClub guy said this is basically H20 redux but not as good I was all, eh. And everyone seems to hate the way the meta comedy undercuts the horror.

$76 million Pavlovian weekend

this definitely was underwhelming. it started well tho

Is that your review of the entire Halloween series?

hah yes!

I do agree this was better than all the sequels tho but it didn't exactly have a high bar to clear

it should have been called "Halloween: Competence"

I feel that my expectations are tempered/low enough re: the Halloween franchise that I might find something to enjoy in this.

there are many things to enjoy in it!

I was pretty underwhelmed as well. There isn't really any meta comedy though? Maybe one or two quips? Not interested in a debate of what constitutes meta comedy btw.

the cops in the car having a banal convo was one example

Plus the thing where every time a character says 'Halloween' they then turn to the camera and arch their eyebrows and go 'Eh? Eh? Get it?'

it wasn't winky winky tho definitely not one of those movies thankfully

Almost every review I've read, even the positive ones, mention lots of self aware comments characters make. A la "a lot of people say she's his sister, but that's just a stupid urban legend" or stuff like that.

that's more them playing w/ the lore I think, kind of their way of walking back Halloween 2, which first broke that twist

I had a great time at this, just lots of good choices in the storytelling and being aware of the tropes but not turning that awareness into a joke. Instead, it's more of a technical challenge of how to do scenes that audiences have seen a million times before and respecting the scare while keeping them fresh.

No spoilers here, but the kid who is babysat is a fantastic actor. The first scene where Myers walks alongside a house and under some rows of lights was just beautiful. A lot of the lighting throughout was good to take in on a big screen.

Weirdly, thought this would make a good double feature with Lady Bird.

i am prolly gonna see it again to see if I enjoy it more only cos, slasher films are a thing I miss.

I do agree this was better than all the sequels tho but it didn't exactly have a high bar to clear

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, October 23, 2018 5:16 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink'

bullshit, this doesn't touch the original halloween ii

or even the zombie halloween ii which i like a lot and has way more visual personality than this movie

it was very fun still

the editing was a fucking joke though

Almost every review I've read, even the positive ones, mention lots of self aware comments characters make. A la "a lot of people say she's his sister, but that's just a stupid urban legend" or stuff like that.

yeah she called him the shape in the movie which weirded me out, this is less a sequel to halloween than a sequel to a bunch of ideas that seemed to flow out of halloween

bullshit, this doesn't touch the original halloween ii

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:32 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I do like the original Halloween II, admittedly, I was thinking more of the crap like 4, 5, 6, H20, Resurrection, the Zombies....

the only movie in that list i wouldn't defend is resurrection and maybe the first zombie

i like h20 wayyy more than this thing

Those comic-relief scenes (plus the kid/babysitter dialogue) sounded so much like Danny McBride to me, especially the banh mi sandwich banter.

I'm eternally disappointed that they haven't figured out a way to wedge Shatner into one of these late-period pomo Halloweens yet.

the new Dr Loomis d00d kinda sucked, he comes across like a guy who joined a Meisner acting class for a month, probably smugly walked around set all day 'in character', and had no idea how "community theatre" his performance came across.

H20 fails cos of Creed being used in the background

I hate Halloween 4-6, they r d00d00

actually I liked H20 at the time, but on rewatch, it didn't age well. other than the ending, which was of course nullified by Resurrection

after all those years of pent-up rage and fear, you could have probably put the mental institution jumpsuit on a donkey and the mob would have been chasing it

If I was the mental patient, I woulda said LOOK, IT'S THE DUDE FROM WEIRD SCIENCE and started a counter-stampede

thought this letterboxd review was excellent and really nailed why i liked this https://boxd.it/2danOV

Michael isn't Evil. Michael isn't anything. Michael is randomness, Michael is chance. Michael is the cold, uncaring universe, the worst possible outcome of anyone's fate. Michael is a metaphor, and when anyone fully engages with him as an idea, it destroys them.

I don't know, maybe in a different movie. The fireman scene, they give Michael a big iconic out of the fire intro, the sort of thing that I assume is supposed to earn cheers in theaters. Like, "oh shit, Michael's *mad*, and he's gonna get 'em!," this hulking guy with a pickaxe standing there on a burning porch while the firemen stare slack-jawed before revving their various implements of destructions (and, er, a firehose). But we, the audience, we know better. Because yeah, he's gonna get 'em! This isn't random. Random is scary, or at base, suspenseful. This is Michael (re)introduced not as an idea or metaphor, but as an angry, powerful, pissed off, out for blood sadistic monster that *wants* to take out these firemen. Which is to say, Jason. If he was a roving act of chaos I could get with that review. Face him, cross him and you're dead. Bad luck. Fate. But too often here he's the traditional slasher, (often literally) toying or playing with his victims. That's partly why I didn't think the film's psychology too well thought out or compelling. It's muddled and contradictory.

josh you watched 50 minutes of this and quit, stop

Let me put in a kind word for A Nightmare On Elm Street II.

I watched 40 minutes then fast forwarded a lot of the rest, to be more accurate. And then watched the mob climax. But I did brush up on the wiki plot summary!

I still like that Michael briefly does martial arts blocks when the first few firemen attack him

I actually thought of martial arts movies, too, when they attacked him one at a time.

The thing that has bothered me about 2018's Halloween.

The British female podcaster, at the gas station, says "I gotta do a number two" and heads to the ladies room.

She sits on the toilet. And at the time she has no idea Michael is coming. A decent amount of time passes.

Then he comes in and it's clear he's up to no good. She starts trying to escape under the bathroom stall, her pants are clearly up, and there's no sign she pulled them up as she rushed to duck under the stall with no hesitation.

Was she...

1) taking a dump with her pants ON

2) did she surreptitiously pull her pants up when we weren't looking?

3) was she secretly trying to get away from her husband

where’s the loo? … the bathroom?

i hate all of the funny dialogue in that movie

"I got peanut butter on my penis"

i also kind of hate the restaging of the classroom scene, at least until you see jlc through the window

i think the PREY BECOMES THE PREDATOR theme of that film is at least as dumb as the WE’RE THE MONSTERS NOW angry mob stuff in this

and tbh i liked the angry mob staircase scenes, they stressed me the hell out

Given the budget and talent potential, happy HK was a Peacock freebie. The entire "evil dies tonight" hospital crowd section with the DO YOU SEE?! "now he's turning us into monsters" line, every scene with Tommy Doyle over acted by intensely staring, jaw-clenching AMH* and his prop bat, every scene with the granddaughter (back with the jerk boyfriend, now she's a vigilante, etc.), JLC philosophizing = groan. On the plus side, the film looked great. Cool that the same Lindsey actress from the first Halloween returned to play her as an adult. And always good to see Judy Greer. Wish she was in the 3rd.. * To be fair, that's how he always looks.

y'know what really makes me mad about Halloween: Resurrection is if the dude on the hood of the car WASN'T Michael, and his throat was crushed so he couldn't talk, why the fuck was he acting maniacal like Michael while he was on top of the vehicle.

"One more day 'til Halloween (Ends), one more day 'til ... Silver Shamrock!"

Halloween Ends is now described as Laurie Strode's "journey". Maybe they're defining "journey" as "stuck in a runaway car in a '70s movie as the car plummets off a cliff"?

it’s completely unthought marketing speak BUT this one is set four years after the other two, and those suggest strongly that Green/McBride are intersted in showing character development for their Laurie

i'm excited.

I have seen twice now. I think I liked it, with reservations.

Ultimately, they opted not to go with the obvious tack, where Michael returns years later, formulaicly stabs his way through Haddonfield, and then final boss battle only he loses this time. this time, more examining the effects on tragedy on a community, and how it sometimes rips communities apart (think 9/11). How Myers has left everybody suspicious and paranoid and therefore the violence continues long after he disappears, but now it's civilian on civilian.

Lot of things underdeveloped, so it's not without flaws. It seems a wee bit hard to swallow that Laurie turns on Corey so abruptly, after initially being so sympathetic (that there's dialogue from Corey stating exactly this doesn't exactly make the flaw go away). But it is interesting, the examination of copycat killers, in that copycat killers don't kill for the reason their predecessors did. they are often chasing the glamour, or co-opting the image of the killer for their own purposes. Michael kills indiscriminately, Corey is going after his tormentors, anybody who fucked with him (or his girlfriend). Radio DJ receptionist really the only 'collateral damage'.

I think the sequences with Corey as killer were framed well and effective. I do think there was a missed opportunity to give the town's reaction to those slayings, mistaking them for Michael, and plunging into chaos. Likewise, Michael himself was more of a supporting character in his own franchise, but I get the idea - he's elder now and severely weakened from the beating he took four years ago, so now he's living in a cave and just opportunistically picking off passers-by, not going out and stalking anymore. I think he spares Corey as he looks into his eyes and sees some of himself in him, whereas Corey reinvigorates him enough to get him to go back into society for a few kills, as he gets his taste for it again. but his weakness is why Laurie overpowers him so easily.

as I said, it doesn't all land. there are a lot of leaps of logic (Allyson basically wanting to rip Corey's clothes off the moment she sees him for the first time being one). but Corey's nihilism is at least understandable - he was headed for big things in life, going to college for engineering, and instead he's working a low-paying job as a mechanic, living with his mother who treats him like he's 12, and not being able to venture into public because he's always recognized. and the people tormenting him are doing so for vanity (as the dad points out) rather than real concern for the kid he killed. wearing a mask lets him finally hide and become someone/something else.

fuck. welp. hope nobody enters fearing spoilers. sorry I fucked that up.

New John Carpenter hit quote just droppedhttps://t.co/nfMFAe7lGE pic.twitter.com/CnC9OZxNuE

— John Frankensteiner (@JFrankensteiner) October 12, 2022

lol

Really don’t hate this trilogy, the last one felt v unaware of how daft it was (in good & bad ways) this one was really going for it so it was easy to lean into the groaners. Honestly the best scenes tend to be vignettes completely unconnected to the main story & there are effective gruesome kills imo

There is some surprisingly bad filmmaking in all three

Sebadoh!

whoops, meant that as hidden text. thread now awash in spoilers.

Michael does not kill Sebadoh, fwiw

^didn't stay for the mid-credits tag!

ends was the best of the three imo, brought home the themes of kills and also had a grody dark corrupted vibe anytime they strayed near michael’s hole

i love michael’s hole

sorry forgot this wasn’t the gay thread

lmao

the kill sequences felt like an top tier 80s slasher flick

this one was really going for it so it was easy to lean into the groaners

that's part of why I liked this way more than the last one, though it still feels at times like Green isn't a weird enough director (anymore). like one of the Carrie-ish scenes with Corey and his mom, punctuated by his dad watching from the shadows and saying "I want you to find love" -- I merely appreciated the attempt.

loved however:

the opening scene, the horror of sensing what's about to happen combined with the horror of it happening. plus the way the kid says "ugly-ass boy" more like "ugly ass-boy" (in that kid way of slightly mishearing something and repeating it)

Laurie grinding Michael into paste and then just adding a paragraph to her book, instead of rethinking the whole thing. sort of a hack move, but felt appropriate.

uh, hidden text doesn't go across paragraphs? sorry all.

swear to god the mullet kid looked exactly like someone in my 4th grade class. talked the same too.

also why did so many people in Illinois have NY/Jersey accents.

I saw Halloween Ends last night on Amazon Prime and enjoyed it a lot, it's probably the best of the Green trilogy

extra points for all the menacing shots of empty kitchens and the way that motif is repurposed at the very end

the discussion of the franchise itt makes me want to see the few I've missed

its funny how many people outright hate this movie, and when I ask them to elucidate , they basically map out that they wanted the same shit that always happens in every Halloween movie. where's the fun in that.

doesn't mean this movie is inherently a success in trying something different (I liked it, but I can see arguments against parts of it), but kinda feel like this is the Last Jedi of teh Halloween series

It’s easily the best of these new ones

low bar

Seriously. The previous two, but particularly the second one, were so bad, I don't care whether the third is any good at all. Never going to see it.

So what is up with David Gordon Green? What a weird career path, to divide your time pretty evenly between prestige indie dramas, sophomoric comedies, lame horror reboots and oddball Danny McBride HBO projects.

he likes to make money and work with his friends, I assume.

Wayne Wang had a similarly eclectic “One for me” (a personal project) followed up by “one for them”(studio work), before eventually deciding to stick with the indie route.

Blumhouse must be shitting itself over Exorcist: Believer’s extremely poor opening weekend. They spent $400 MILLION on just the rights to the franchise. That doesn’t include the cost of this one film

I've had three friends see it and my brother and all of them were bored to tears.

I've heard nothing but bad things about the new Exorcist, funnily enough I actually liked the trailer I saw before Oppenheimer and was mildly curious until I heard all the feedback.

Possession horror generally sucks with a few exceptions