Even as a rival fan it is tough to watch Scioscia send Pujols and Kinsler out at the top of the order while Ohatni sits a third of the time.
Kinsler has been warming up: .900 OBP with 4 HRs over the past 2 weeks. Otani is .750 over the same stretch (and now will be possibly benched until his blisters subside).
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 June 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
uh oh
Shohei Ohtani will be placed on the disabled list with a grade 2 sprain of the UCL. He underwent a PRP and Stem Cell injection yesterday with Dr. Steve Yoon in Los Angeles. He will be re-evaluated in 3 weeks and we will update his plan of care at that time.— Angels PR (@LAAngelsPR) June 8, 2018
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 June 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
oh please no
― k3vin k., Friday, 8 June 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link
I guess the blister was on his UCL... lol.
Poor guy, I really hope this doesn't turn out like Daisuke Matsuzaka pt 2.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 8 June 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
I'mma lobby for a minimum of 6 DL spots on any fantasy league I join next year.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 8 June 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
well there goes his All-Star DH spot
i guess the rest of MLB is gonna suck along with the Mets now
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 June 2018 23:59 (five years ago) link
Baseball just got a lot less interesting this year.
I'm trying to recall the last time a black magic solution for avoiding TJ surgery actually worked ...?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 10 June 2018 07:22 (five years ago) link
tanaka is the only example i can recall
― mookieproof, Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23737157/mlb-need-know-shohei-ohtani-injury
― k3vin k., Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
“Everything I’m hearing is that the reality is, he probably will need Tommy John surgery,” @pedrogomezESPN reports grim news for Shohei Ohtani and @Angels just now on @sportscenter. “The earliest we might see him, should he have TJ surgery, would be the 2020 season.”— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) June 11, 2018
― Andy K, Monday, 11 June 2018 12:29 (five years ago) link
this reminds me a lot of Strasburg
― frogbs, Monday, 11 June 2018 12:32 (five years ago) link
this really sucks
― k3vin k., Monday, 11 June 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
Source: #Angels cautiously optimistic Shohei Ohtani will play again this season — at least as a hitter and possibly in both roles. @MLB @MLBNetwork— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) June 11, 2018
Scioscia said the Angels’ medical staff is “very optimistic” about Shohei Ohtani’s prognosis. Still two to three weeks from seeing whether PRP injection took hold. Ohtani is taking one-armed swings in batting cage.— Bill Shaikin (@BillShaikin) June 18, 2018
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/shohei-ohtani-and-the-implications/
TS: ohtani batting with one arm vs pujols
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
lol
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link
https://deadspin.com/the-story-of-shohei-ohtanis-legendary-bp-sessions-from-1827115452
sigh
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 June 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
straight lol at hyperbole-comparisons of soft-toss BP to in-game (esp World Series) dongs.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 28 June 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
if people in the game are saying it, it probably means something
― k3vin k., Thursday, 28 June 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/06/shohei-ohtani-cleared-to-begin-hitting-program.html
While Ohtani certainly isn’t entirely out of the woods just yet, it’s obviously an encouraging update for the Angels that the platelet-rich plasma and stem cell injections he received earlier this month have resulted in some meaningful improvement. Eppler indicated yesterday that if Ohtani were strictly a designated hitter, he’d likely have been cleared right away. That, coupled with today’s clearance, makes it seem likely that Ohtani will, at the very least, return to the Angels’ lineup at some point this summer — if not the rotation.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 29 June 2018 00:46 (five years ago) link
0-for-4 in his return last night
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 13:30 (five years ago) link
24 today! not in the lineup
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 July 2018 02:40 (five years ago) link
So it's not loaded stadiums or ballparks
― scopin' VARs (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 6 July 2018 13:40 (five years ago) link
off the bench for heroics
https://www.mlb.com/news/shohei-ohtanis-homer-leads-angels-to-victory/c-284931188
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 July 2018 11:23 (five years ago) link
what a shot
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 July 2018 12:38 (five years ago) link
cautiously optimistic
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2018/7/20/17594856/shohei-ohtani-angels-elbow-injury-update-throwing
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
These splits look ugly and seem to be getting uglier...
2018 Season vs. LHP:.170/.254/.245 22K:6BB
July:.203/.261/.422 23K:5BB
Post All-Star:.175/.214/.400 13K:2BB
Last 7 days:.100/.100/.150 6K:0BB
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
...he must lurk here.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 4 August 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
"closer" to pitching sez the Sosh
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24306284/shohei-ohtani-los-angeles-angels-closer-pitching-team-thought-mike-scioscia-said
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
Ohtani is set to throw a bullpen session this Saturday.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 14:33 (five years ago) link
pitches Sunday night!
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24526952/shohei-ohtani-returning-angels-rotation
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:25 (five years ago) link
hell yeah! i was trying to keep my hopes realistic
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:49 (five years ago) link
they must be pretty confident that he's healthy given that they're out of the playoff hunt...
― k3vin k., Friday, 31 August 2018 01:17 (five years ago) link
velocity cratered in the third
http://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/la-sp-angels-ohtani-hernandez-20180902-story.html#
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 September 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link
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― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 September 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
tl;dr for Tracer:
Ohtani's velocity trends tonight are absolutely horrifying pic.twitter.com/2l0aUPamUM— Mike Petriello (@mike_petriello) September 3, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 3 September 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
fuck this
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:48 (five years ago) link
hit 2 homers last night
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
so I guess that begs the question, if he has TJ tomorrow can he still hit in 2019?
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link
Angels saying it depends what the doctors say (ie they aint saying)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
Weiters didn't
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
Ohtani's Elbow:
Why would LAA want, or let Ohtani pitch this season after the elbow injury? Is there ANY reasoning behind this?
Jay Jaffe:
The Angels had almost nothing to lose by testing Ohtani's elbow. If he has the surgery now, there's a reasonable shot he can still DH for most/all of next season while not pitching, but if they waited until spring for the surgery, he'd be unable to do either.
Jeff Fletcher, who covers the Angels for the Orange County Register, put it well in a tweet:
"If Ohtani had TJ surgery on June 7, 2018 -- the day the sprain was discovered -- he'd be out till 2020.
"If he has it tomorrow, he'll be out till 2020.
"If he has it a week from now, he'll be out till 2020."
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:01 (five years ago) link
absolutely scorching: 240 wRC+, 10 homers in 90 PA since august 1st
https://www.fangraphs.com/splitstool.aspx?playerid=19755&position=DH&splitArr=&strgroup=season&statgroup=1&startDate=2018-08-01&endDate=2018-09-08&filter=&statType=player&autoPt=true&players=&pg=0&pageItems=30&sort=-1,1
― k3vin k., Monday, 10 September 2018 03:43 (five years ago) link
official
https://www.mlb.com/news/ohtani-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery/c-295987406
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
in games where he pitches, does he get defensive credit for being a pitcher? his defensive adjustment is largely negative because he's played DH 90% of the time, but I would assume that for the plate appearances where he's listed as the pitcher, he'd get a generous positive adjustment
this is from bbref:
Pitcher Positional Adjustment. Now, pitchers also bat, so we need to calculate their Position Player WAR as well. Since pitcher fielding is included in Pitcher WAR, we do not need to consider it here. Pitchers are almost guaranteed to be below replacement hitters and likely no one uses a particular player as a pitcher because they are a good hitter. If that were the case, we might see teams trying for an advantage by routinely using Wilson Valdez as a pitcher or an NL team would always value Jon Lester less than an AL team. Rather, any pitcher hitting is gravy, so the pitcher position adjustment is set so that all pitchers taken together produce zero WAR as position players. As position players, we say a pitcher's games played equals PA/4.To set the pitcher positional adjustment, we add together every pitcher's Batting Runs, Baserunning Runs,and GIDP Runs = Runs_sum_lg. We also add up their Plate Appearances, PA_sum_lg. The league-wide pitcher positional adjustment is then (-600 * Runs_sum_lg/ PA_sum_lg) which is runs per plate appearance. For a particular player, this number is then multiplied by their plate appearances for their individual positional adjustment.The top and worst pitcher as position players in 2011 were: best: Carlos Zambrano 7.6 runs, worst: Ryan Dempster -4.8 runs.note: Some pitchers like Red Ruffing, Bob Lemon and Jim Kaat (as a pinch runner) appeared in many games as a position player, pinch hitter or pinch runner. If we credit them these PA's as just a pitcher then we overvalue their offense, so to handle this we compute a percentage of time as a non-pitcher for all pitchers and they get credit under runs_replacement for this number of games and their runs_position as pitcher are reduced by one minus this factor. Since many of these occurred prior to full play-by-play data, we just use games played data for this adjustment. non-Pitcher factor = (Games Played - Games Pitched - .63 * Games as PH or PR) -------------------------------------------------------- Games Played.63 is a factor so we value Games Played in the field differently than as a PH or PR which are likely just a single PA.
To set the pitcher positional adjustment, we add together every pitcher's Batting Runs, Baserunning Runs,and GIDP Runs = Runs_sum_lg. We also add up their Plate Appearances, PA_sum_lg. The league-wide pitcher positional adjustment is then (-600 * Runs_sum_lg/ PA_sum_lg) which is runs per plate appearance. For a particular player, this number is then multiplied by their plate appearances for their individual positional adjustment.
The top and worst pitcher as position players in 2011 were: best: Carlos Zambrano 7.6 runs, worst: Ryan Dempster -4.8 runs.
note: Some pitchers like Red Ruffing, Bob Lemon and Jim Kaat (as a pinch runner) appeared in many games as a position player, pinch hitter or pinch runner. If we credit them these PA's as just a pitcher then we overvalue their offense, so to handle this we compute a percentage of time as a non-pitcher for all pitchers and they get credit under runs_replacement for this number of games and their runs_position as pitcher are reduced by one minus this factor. Since many of these occurred prior to full play-by-play data, we just use games played data for this adjustment.
non-Pitcher factor = (Games Played - Games Pitched - .63 * Games as PH or PR) -------------------------------------------------------- Games Played.63 is a factor so we value Games Played in the field differently than as a PH or PR which are likely just a single PA.
― k3vin k., Saturday, 22 May 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link
for example it looks like shohei has about 12-14 plate appearances as a pitcher this season, and the rest of his 177 PA are at DH (plus one or two in left or right field)
his positional adjustment overall as a batter on bbref is -4 runs
yordan alvarez, who's played DH for all 160 of his PAs this year, has a positional adjustment of -3 runs
max scherzer has had 17 plate appearances, and has a positional adjustment of +3 runs
does this make sense? shouldn't he get credit for these PAs as a pitcher?
― k3vin k., Saturday, 22 May 2021 13:52 (two years ago) link
talking about the positional adjustment for WAR if it wasn't clear
― k3vin k., Saturday, 22 May 2021 13:56 (two years ago) link
I think the DH adjustment still should be applied because the Angels aren’t forced to bat him when he pitches. the replacement for him when he’s hitting as a pitcher would be another DH.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 22 May 2021 14:48 (two years ago) link
hmmm that makes sense
― k3vin k., Saturday, 22 May 2021 15:08 (two years ago) link
I wasn't paying attention to baseball at all last year, so I missed that he got shelled in his two starts, leading to a real quirk in his lifetime stats:
2018 - 51.2 IP, 3.31 ERA2020 - 1.2 IP2021 - 47.1 IP, 2.85 ERA
Career ERA: 3.67
He gave up 7 runs in that 1.2 IP. His career ERA would be 3.09 otherwise.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link
Caption to a photo that turned up on my FB wall:
John Olerud pitching in college at Washington State. He was 15-0 his sophomore year with 23 homers and hit .464.
More details here:
https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/john-olerud-wsu-baseball-1998-season-was-simply-magical-211886430/
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 October 2023 18:40 (five months ago) link
Facebook/Twitter meme, so I don't know how trustworthy, but:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBV2oDsW8AAXOYZ.jpg:large
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 December 2023 01:35 (three months ago) link