Search & Destroy: John Coltrane

Extremely psyched about this

There's def a mic in the piano and one on the bass. Sax has to be mic'd too, probably just can't see it.

Good question...maybe this wasn't a recording moment, and he had a spot outside of the photo to record?

xp

or maybe he's just not mic'd up yet. I suppose he could have a spot on the other side of the piano somewhere. looks like a v big room!

only two mics, both right over the kit?!

Best way to do it, imho (of course, the room has something to do with it, too). Glyn Johns was another engineer who didn't close-mic every element of the kit; I think he used no more than four mics on Keith Moon's gargantuan setup.

Likely moved Coltrane's mic for the photo, or else it'd be in front of Jones.

just to be clear, my initial post was before I spotted the bass and piano mics - not really surprised at a two-mic drumkit setup in the mid-60s.

the new song sounds wonderful — though I don't know why there's confusion about who wrote it ... can't they ask Tyner? (maybe he doesn't even remember).

Could be wrong, but I think it was pretty standard not to have a kick drum mic in jazz. Kick drum isn't really essential to jazz the way it is in rock, it's more for accents.

And I don't think anyone was close-micing every drum in 1963, but I could be wrong about that too

fuck knows how a '63 JC album goes missing for so long, but good work whoever found it!

Yeah, I don't think drum kit close-micing became a thing until Geoff Emerick/the Beatles in '66, and then that suddenly became the only/default way to mic drums.

xp

Really excited to hear this. Pretty much an untouchable era for this band.

I hope it's not heretical to say I prefer the 1965 Antibes recording of Love Supreme to the studio version. I think they captured some magic that night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlrQZc3h13E

When I bought this years back the packaging somewhat deceptively lead me to believe I was buying the studio album, so it was a bit of a surprise when I put it on. But that also meant it's become the "canon" version in my mind.

In the years since I've heard other recordings of the Antibes residency and they are stunning. "My Favourite Things" goes to some places.

I hope it's not heretical to say I prefer the 1965 Antibes recording of Love Supreme to the studio version. I think they captured some magic that night.

Not at all -- I definitely prefer the live recording. I never loved the studio ALS; I think they made better studio records before (My Favorite Things) and after (The John Coltrane Quartet Plays, and especially Sun Ship). The Antibes ALS reaches heights the studio version only hints at.

I remember reading that they performed it live one other time, in Philadelphia, but it wasn't recorded.

ok I gotta hear that Antibes set

It's on one or another "deluxe edition" of ALS, which also includes the somewhat fascinating alternate ALS (or parts of it) with Archie Shepp and Art Davis added to the quartet.

This one.

I don't care much for the alternate, larger band studio recordings. But the live set that kicks off disc two is pretty much essential.

Crescent > A Love Supreme

I always figure every bit of tape that ever existed in any jazz great has been released in triplicate by some weird euro labels and here's new Coltrane recorded w Van Gelder, boggles my mind

I remember reading that they performed it live one other time, in Philadelphia, but it wasn't recorded.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)

yes it was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUVxlm0cJds

(technically just "resolution" for 32 minutes. fine by me!)

Holy crap!

Thanks for posting that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7X2X7LDFok

one on the bass and one on the piano but... what is John playing into?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:50 PM (yesterday)

The album cover that's shown in the nyt article shows how it was done:
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/06/08/arts/08coltrane4/merlin_139110909_79a01066-168a-417b-9563-9fc2145eacc6-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

This piece in the Guardian sheds some light on the history of the tape:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/08/lost-1963-john-coltrane-album-discovered

The master tape left in the studio was lost, and it’s likely it was destroyed in the early 70s when the label, Impulse!, was trying to reduce storage fees. But Coltrane gave his own reference tape of the recording to his wife Naima, despite their then disintegrating relationship – the pair divorced in 1966, and the tape has stayed in her family’s possession ever since.

The Coltrane family houses must've had lots of hidden storage spaces as the tapes for the posthumous

One Down, One Up: Live at the Half Note

Scroll down this page a little and there's a lot of information about the music on the upcoming release, as well as some other unreleased material that's not out yet:

http://www.barrykernfeld.com/aop.htm

The Antibes ALS reaches heights the studio version only hints at.

it is a really awesome performance

Where does one get other recordings from the Antibes residency?

wow, so the complete "love supreme" masters, including the tapes referenced by kernfeld, were released in 2015, eh? i missed that one!

Where does one get other recordings from the Antibes residency?

There's any number of bootleggy discs called Live at Antibes 1965 that have the other night (My Favorite Things, Naima, Impressions, and Blue Valse).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Antibes

wow, so the complete "love supreme" masters, including the tapes referenced by kernfeld, were released in 2015, eh? i missed that one!

Yeah, there's a 2CD set called A Love Supreme: The Complete Masters. It's worth hearing.

not sure if this is the thread to ask for such things, but I'm interested in compiling a list of Coltrane-esque tributes, cut contemporaneously to his passing, or later, in the vein of Sonny Sharrock's "John's Children/ Many Mansions" or even Larry Coryell's "Search for the Higher Consciousness"... stuff that's aiming for what JC's 'Spiritual' does.... any suggestions would be appreciated.

you know about the comp "For JC - Love is Supreme", right?

I do not! Will seek— thank you!

Yuseef Lateef wrote 'Brother John' in tribute to Coltrane way back in '63. It's a cool groove, very much in a "My Favorite Things" vein.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_F8cFRO99c&list=PLFRQl8Ca9Qfaa6KWHhkIDlb5w6ZAeMpqk

Roland kirk cut several Coltrane tributes/covers iirc

this great new comp of japanese jazz from the 70s is packed with coltrane worship: https://spiritualjazz.bandcamp.com/album/spiritual-jazz-8-japan-pt-1

Yeah; I reviewed that compilation, and another contemporaneous one, for Burning Ambulance.

oh yeah, the j-jazz one is sounding awesome as well (missed that ode to workman actually features reggie workman!). pretty interesting — as you note, except for a few exceptions, i don't think i'd be able to distinguish this stuff from western jazz. these players had quickly absorbed and mastered the style.

i was looking up keitaro miho from the spiritual jazz comp and found this amazing looking record: All-Japan Male Volley Ball Team "The Road To Munich"

https://img.discogs.com/qqVIR7KK9fgiZU6d8C01wfXz2Xg=/fit-in/400x400/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-6946446-1430135632-4101.jpeg.jpg

thanks for all the suggestions!

another one: pharoah sanders' memories of j.w. coltrane from the excellent live at the east lp

Really enjoying this new John Coltrane album

New Trane! Crazy, can't wait to listen to this tonight

it's fucking nice and just completely what you'd expect I suppose, but in the best sense of that!

great to listen to this on my way in to work this morning, but i bet it's going to sound a hundred times better going back home again tonight

yeah — i mean, the urge to overrate it is probably high, but even on something as laid-back / workmanlike as "slow blues" (which they probably did just to blow off steam), it's wonderful to just luxuriate in the sound of this band. elvin jones! best drummer ever?

god this really was the best band ever