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Her long thread about ICE last week was really good and succeeded at putting the Trump admin abuses in the larger historical context in a way a lot of people tried but hadn’t been as successful. Maybe The visibility will get her a role in national politics if she still doesn’t win the race.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 4 June 2018 04:44 (five years ago) link

That's the reason I followed her in the first place. She was the first candidate I saw to publicly use the words "abolish ICE."

Johnny Fever, Monday, 4 June 2018 04:53 (five years ago) link

From that ballotpedia link:

Both candidates expressed support for $15 minimum wage and Medicare for All policies; Ocasio-Cortez credited her campaign with pushing Crowley to the left on these issues

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 June 2018 04:56 (five years ago) link

OLD DELAWARE WHITE GUY 2020 seems INESCAPABLE that’s for sure

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 June 2018 05:07 (five years ago) link

If Biden is the only candidate Democrats can agree on, I'll vote for him, but his being the candidate would be otherwise inexcusable. The party needs to attract and keep young voters. Biden is not the candidate to bind those voters to the party for the future. He'd have to pick one helluva great veep to even get their attention.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 4 June 2018 05:12 (five years ago) link

has he heard of this fella tim kaine bc that guy riled up the millennials for sure

Clay, Monday, 4 June 2018 05:16 (five years ago) link

I'd vote for Tim Kaine's son.

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 4 June 2018 05:24 (five years ago) link

I liked when people got so mad about Tim Kaine they pretended he wasn’t pro-choice.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 4 June 2018 05:56 (five years ago) link

no fights about weightless nonentity tim kaine in 2018

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Monday, 4 June 2018 06:34 (five years ago) link

Fair enough

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 4 June 2018 06:37 (five years ago) link

very interesting hypothesis here, though I fear literally only Sanders and/or Warren would have the stones to actually do some of these things. even someone like Gillenbrand, who I feel relatively good about as a potential nominee, probably lacks the political courage.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/trump-is-paving-the-way-for-an-imperial-socialist-presidency.html

evol j, Monday, 4 June 2018 13:26 (five years ago) link

Wow, I'd thought Ocasio-Cortez had more oomph behind her campaign, but maybe that's just because I've been following her on fb for months and don't follow Crowley. But goddamn...Moms Demand Action, NARAL, Planned Parenthood, labor unions, etc are all in Crowley's camp. That's fucking disappointing.

https://ballotpedia.org/New_York%27s_14th_Congressional_District_election_(June_26,_2018_Democratic_primary)

― Johnny Fever, Monday, 4 June 2018 04:32 (nine hours ago) Permalink

Right, I mean what you have to understand is that Crowley is the chair of the Queens Democratic Party, he is like Mr Queens Politics, not to mention likely successor to Pelosi if he wins. However her campaign is kind hard to defend against -- attack her too directly and you look bad. She's a working class latinx woman who represents the new face of Queens, her district is half immigrant, she's incredibly charismatic and well-liked, she's kind of a force. He's an old white guy from the old machine at a time when Berniecrats are on the rise. Unlikely any of the usual players jump camps and get behind her but they are probably going to be wary of smearing her too.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link

Also like a month or two ago people didn't even think she would get on the ballot, so they're probably still not sure how to respond. I think he didn't have a challenger for like 14 or 16 years.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link

Speaking of progressive challengers to establishment dinosaurs, Kevin de Leon vs. Dianne Feinstein

De Leόn harshly criticized Feinstein’s career voting record during our conversation. “There are a lot of votes she took that I wouldn’t have,” he said. “I wouldn’t have voted for the war in Iraq, which has cost us trillions we could have been spending on a carbon-free economy, affordable college and single-payer healthcare. I wouldn’t have voted to prosecute thirteen years as adults. I wouldn’t have supported invoking Taft-Hartley to help George Bush end a strike. I wouldn’t have voted for the wall. You know, Feinstein supported the wall before Trump did,” he said, referencing 2006 Secure Fence Act that authorized a wall on the southern border.

De Leόn expressed deep concerns about surveillance and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act process, which Feinstein recently voted to reauthorize. “I worry about civil rights activists being targeted as black identity extremists,” he said. “I worry about the government saying ‘I don’t like this progressive blogger’ and subjecting them to scrutiny.” And indeed, between our conversation and the publication of this piece, his nightmare became reality: it was recently revealed a black activist had been detained for five months under suspicion of being a “black identity extremist.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/kevin-de-le%E1%BD%B9n-wants-lead-new-democratic-party/

Simon H., Monday, 4 June 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link

I voted for him, he's great

Οὖτις, Monday, 4 June 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link

granted legislation he sponsored basically gave me job security for 5 years, so I'm a little biased

Οὖτις, Monday, 4 June 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link

I voted for him too. Feinstein needs a kick in the ass regardless.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 4 June 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link

Wow, I'd thought Ocasio-Cortez had more oomph behind her campaign, but maybe that's just because I've been following her on fb for months and don't follow Crowley. But goddamn...Moms Demand Action, NARAL, Planned Parenthood, labor unions, etc are all in Crowley's camp. That's fucking disappointing.

― Johnny Fever

how do democratic voters in the 14th feel about her? (that's a serious question)

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 4 June 2018 23:43 (five years ago) link

she's great, and she's better than the alternative, but honestly fuck this policy

Because these developers don’t seem to support expanded municipal parking (like some of the ones found in Astoria), it causes the community to fight over scraps.

We can make moves that increase local parking while still having safe bike lanes. /4

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) June 5, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 20:31 (five years ago) link

to her credit she seems interested to engage in that thread

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link

no parking should be built anywhere

valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link

No free public parking should be built anywhere. It can be private property or it can be a revenue source for the government that built the road but that’s it.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 21:54 (five years ago) link

I understand the argument that reducing free public parking in areas that are gentrifying can make it difficult for people who already live in the neighborhood and drive everywhere. But giving those folks better transportation options and improved walkability has to be part of the trade off or else it’s just status quo forever and in 10-15 years the parking becomes a surplus, wasted pavement.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link

Meanwhile your giant office park parking garages can be used for sports

http://wjla.com//features/abc7-stories/radical-racers-four-stories-underground

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link

Once there were parking lots
Now it's a peaceful oasis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=068AFYvd58E

emotional support vegetable (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 22:57 (five years ago) link

That ad of hers I posted to the main politics

one of my school friends and her kids are in this!

j., Wednesday, 6 June 2018 01:20 (five years ago) link

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/06/bungle-in-the-jungle

Ranked choice voting, among a bunch of other reforms I blather about endlessly on these threads, would go a long way to improving shit. It’s part of why I hate, despise and loathe all the pusillanimous “I give up on humanity, this is what we deserve” bullshit. Yes, people are pack animals, but with language powers. Let us make a better system for ourselves and we will produce better results.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 11:48 (five years ago) link

In general Dem turnout continues to way outperform projections, and more and more Districts look competitive/flippable

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link

Check this out: Democrats also flipped a state Senate district in Missouri in a landslide, swinging it by more than 20 points

Dems picking up a Trump +5 state senate seat in MO by a landslide tonight - currently 60%-40% w/ 82% counted. https://t.co/yqHWyY4UGv

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) June 6, 2018

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link

A Missouri Republican consultant, who asked for anonymity to speak candidly, said in a text message that "Every suburban Republican should be petrified tonight. This devastating loss signals they could lose this fall."

run scared, motherfucker

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link

Higher Democratic turnout in special(!) and primary(!!) elections in a midterm year(!!!) all buck long-held trends/cw so yay let’s hear it.

valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link

Re the politico takeaways - bernie totally abandoning our revolution is nagl

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link

and De Leon made the number two spot in the CA Senate race, meaning there won't even be a fucking GOP candidate for Senate in CA in the fall: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Kevin-de-Le-n-to-face-U-S-Sen-Dianne-Feinstein-12971926.php

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link

Re the politico takeaways - bernie totally abandoning our revolution is nagl

― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:08 (five minutes ago) Permalink

Not sure what you mean by this. Bernie was never actually affiliated with OR, it was more like a group that branched out from his campaign and was inspired by him.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link

a cult of personality without the personality

in other news, this is why Pelosi is good at her job: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/05/house-democrats-republican-spending-plans-598146

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:19 (five years ago) link

The longtime appropriator pointed out that $15 billion within his own bill goes toward nuclear weapons and security. “To vote against that would be crazy,” he said

non sequitur if I ever heard one

valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link

As of pre-yesterday, OR had more wins than losses in 2018 endorsements, so I wouldn't write them off, just yet. Skewed a bit toward lower level races but part of the idea is to build a bench.

https://ourrevolution.com/results/

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link

Re the politico takeaways - bernie totally abandoning our revolution is nagl

― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:08 (five minutes ago) Permalink

Not sure what you mean by this. Bernie was never actually affiliated with OR, it was more like a group that branched out from his campaign and was inspired by him.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, June 6, 2018 4:16 PM (forty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its a small point to argue but if some organization runs off in your name you should maybe try to reign them in somehow? an example on my mind was on the this week in atrocity podcast.. some rich guy in CA basically started his own chapter and endorsed himself.

maybe im just having flashbacks to OFA starting off with promise then turning into a dumpster fire

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link

Skewed a bit toward lower level races but part of the idea is to build a bench.

Which is a damn solid idea and will yield solid benefits up and down the ballot.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link

Nice formulation here:

U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein is seeking another six-year term at age 84 and is expected to cruise into November when her likely opponent will be fellow Democrat Kevin de Leon, the former state Senate leader. There are 11 unknown Republicans in the race and none was backed by the party.

http://time.com/5302723/democrat-gavin-newsom-california-governor-primary-john-cox/

Martin Landau Ballet (Leee), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link

Indeed, why would the Republican party want to oppose Feinstein?

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link

I don't think Feinstein's ever faced a Dem challenger so this will be interesting (she will still win, most likely)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link

Intercept roundup of election results:

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/06/california-primary-election-results-2018/

Simon H., Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link

I kinda gathered Rohrabacher's race was worth watching partly because there was a fear that no Democrat would advance (do I have that right?). Which didn't happen, right?

emotional support vegetable (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link

correct

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link

District 48 - Huntington Beach
Dana Rohrabacher GOP 30.3%
Harley Rouda Dem 17.3%

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link


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