Ernie Bushmiller's "Nancy": C/D?

well, remember how bad he was before Schizo

Interview w/Olivia Jaimes

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/yweqz7/the-woman-behind-nancy-has-made-an-80-year-old-comic-funny-again

Love that headline. "This thing neither you nor I paid attention to until three months ago is awesome now, but don't worry, it must have sucked before."

Interesting interview!

I'll overlook that the writer begin it with "Not sure if you guys heard, but"

https://i.imgur.com/cpxBvt2.jpg

Something about Fritzi's eyes in panel 3 rings a faint bell, but I still don't have a guess.

Love that headline. "This thing neither you nor I paid attention to until three months ago is awesome now, but don't worry, it must have sucked before."

Are you a Gilchrist fan?

i only ever see the 'featured comment' but they are routinely incredible

Michael Thorton 4 days ago

Gee, I wonder why people don’t use Android phones which have expandable storage thanks to SD cards…

Oh, wait – they’re lazy lotus-eating dilletantes who want everything done for them and so take the easy way out and bite the Apple.

(Open-source zindabad – score one for the nerds. We face much less problems than this. Heck, my twenty-year-old kid brother makes his own smartwatch OSes.)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YnseibzD4jg/StQasfxmRrI/AAAAAAAAA7g/7yzifv2g0Jw/s400/nancybook.png

(from The Nancy Book by Joe Brainard)

Comments on the new strips are a window into another world

CHUCKBOWEN1 5 DAYS AGO
Actually, we have periodically taught algebra in primary schools. And the kids mastered it. Math reforms are always being pushed by the professional organizations, like NCTM, and by educational reform laws at both the state and federal levels. So, it is proven possible, and at some level, has been required of schools.

With modern instructional methods, e.g., the progression of mastery as students age from concrete to semi-concrete to abstract algorithms, it is quite possible for children to think mathematically.

The problem is not the kids. It’s the backlash from adults. That was true when I started teaching Second Grade in the 1970’s. “New Math” suffered pervasive complaints and ridicule and died off within a few years as.

The most recent iteration is the ‘Common Core’ (http://www.corestandards.org/Math/), which is frequently the butt of negative memes in social media, as well as a target of unhappy parents’ complaints at PTO’s and school board meetings. It even garners the sometime attention of the broadcast and print media.

As evidenced in this comment stream, most of the complaints boil down to two types. 1) Little kids can’t learn that stuff, because even (I) don’t understand it. (Yes, they can. Instruction has advanced. See “concrete =>semi-concrete =>abstract algorithms,” above.) 2) Little kids can’t learn that stuff, because I didn’t have to until high school. (Yes they can. See research summaries linked from the Common Core website URL, above.)

In short, it is a fact that young kids taught appropriately can learn to operate and apply a type of algebra. It is also true that what kids can learn is irrelevant in public schools, because schools don’t operate rationally They exist politically in the American democratic environment. Schools are subjected to the whims of public opinion, politicians’ ambitions, and lobbyists. So what it is possible for kids succumbs to whatever happens to be the political flavor of the day.

That comment seems pretty sane to me?

Interesting interview!

I'll overlook that the writer begin it with "Not sure if you guys heard, but"

― Chuck_Tatum

and the bizarre claim that the strip "wasn't funny since the eisenhower era" before posting the august 8, 1959 strip - apparently when kennedy got elected the bushmiller abruptly stopped being funny?

sad lol:

"I grimace when I hear the notification sound and think, 'what new pain is this?'” Jaimes told me.

i understand it, there no doubt a lot of insincere gocomics reactionaries who would love to use a dorothy parker quote as a pretext for talking about why jaimes is the Worst Person in the World

That comment seems pretty sane to me?

It's certainly a nuanced opinion on Jaimes` work, and one imagines there's plenty more consideration of her craft in that dude's posting history.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/nancy-more-relatable-ever-at-85-180969865/

https://amp.dailydot.com/unclick/sluggo-is-lit-meme/

so did the person who wrote that not _read_ last monday's nancy, or simply not _understand_ it?

great strip

https://www.cbr.com/nancy-olivia-jaimes-first-public-convention-appearance/amp/

this is yep

https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/09/14

Someone forgot to inform Olivia Jaimes that newspaper strips are meant to be uniformly terrible nowadays.

it's good https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/09/25

reports from Jaimes’ CXC appearance are all 👌

So I gather she disguised her voice? Is there any chance it isnt even a woman? I had this sudden "what if its Nicholas Gurewich" thought but ... eh its not quite his style.

I would think the syndicate's initial press release saying "yes, it's really a woman" can be trusted; dunno what reason there would be to lie about it

Yeah yr right, it seems like an odd move to make otherwise.

also since reports estimate that Jaimes is under 25, that means Gur3w1tch would have started uni when he was 8 or 9 years old

yah i just found an article saying that ... rules out everyone I had in mind lol

really, I don't think there's any reason to analyse past the "cover story" that she just wnats to avoid insane online dudes harassing her in her real, or real online, life, it's 2018

Good point :(

Yeah, according to one of the reports she did appear live in the con chat but was wearing goggles and a scarf or something like that to conceal her face. So presumably she just wants to keep her identity a secret for the sake of privacy.

reports from Jaimes’ CXC appearance are all 👌

― Stab my hinge, get hit (sic), Thursday, October 4, 2018 12:05 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Disappointed to learn of her alt right leanings.

that the sixth cartoonist taking over Nancy of all strips has to disguise herself to avoid harassment is some real mind-boggling the apocalypse has already happened shit

I just read a bunch of the latest strips and have concluded that the moment of apocalypse was whenever the first comment box was made

They really should remove the comments section below the cartoon. Some real Youtube-level trash there

what's striking is the variety of terribleness too: breathless internet sleuths trying to deduce her identity, comicsgaters, sad nostalgists, people criticizing a cartoon for not using three-point perspective, etc.

anyway, all the school strips are great! classic C&H tone on this one:
https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/09/24

I might feel more sympathy for the nostalgists - sd OJ is actually pretty inconsistent! - but the Gilchrist comics they love are so, so bad, like among the worst public art I have ever seen.

I love this one as a mission statement:

https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/08/08

* as OJ is

The Gilchrist Moody Blues Sunday strip posted upthread around the time of the handover was unfathomably bad

lol yes
I agree with Chuck about the lack of consistency but am inclined to cut a daily strip a lot of slack at the outset. I could also never read this again and not really care, which is why the commenters are so alien to me.

yeah i think anyone expecting consistency is... looking for the wrong thing. these things always read best in bumper digests. they're the original bingewatch object.

i will say i am a complete mark for jaimes' nancy. it is pretty much all i want from the internet right now, a new nancy strip to read every day.

i do also feel that setting up people into jaimes/gilchrist camps is a false dichotomy. it's actually people who likes olivia jaimes' nancy vs. horrible human beings, and i don't have any particular evidence gilchrist is a horrible human being.

gilchrist's comics are so visually unappealing and gross i can barely stand to look at them. the guy makes bil keane look like chris ware.

it's actually people who likes olivia jaimes' nancy vs. horrible human beings, and i don't have any particular evidence gilchrist is a horrible human being.

uh

I mean, unless you think "got fired from his sinecure on a legacy strip after sexually assaulting and (separately) beating up his assistant, before firing her over Facebook, and then posting pictures of them together on the 'gram captioned with long incoherent rants about how she's going to be federally indicted based on information he has given to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, and how he'd sacrificed so much to make her into a great artist, and thought of her as a daughter" is outweighed by him also including prayer emoji hands and explaining that he does whatever God tells him every morning

I mean, unless you think "got fired from his sinecure on a legacy strip after sexually assaulting and (separately) beating up his assistant, before firing her over Facebook, and then posting pictures of them together on the 'gram captioned with long incoherent rants about how she's going to be federally indicted based on information he has given to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, and how he'd sacrificed so much to make her into a great artist, and thought of her as a daughter" is outweighed by him also including prayer emoji hands and explaining that he does whatever God tells him every morning

― Stab my hinge, get hit (sic)

ok, there you go, he is a horrible human being. i wasn't really paying attention, thanks for the correction!

So did God also tell him to be not funny?

i think that's in one of the pauline epistles. i can't remember if it's one of the pseudepigraphica, though.

also, i now feel totally validated for always having hated the moody blues (except for "go now" which gets a free pass)

Are there going to be print collections of James' Nancy strips or am I misunderstanding the banter upthread? Because I think these strips are awesome but I basically forget to read them unless this thread is bumped

I think the print collections being discussed are are all vintage Bushmiller stuff. All the Jaimes strips can be found on the gocomics Nancy page.

also at comics rss