Cardiacs: Classic or Dud?

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The '95 reish of HBAEB (I always read that as Hey Babe!) is supposedly utterly trashed and distorted for some reason (something to do with a bucket and some nails....)

The recent vinyl and digital versions are I believe from the '92 master which is quite light on bass but not too bad at all, jt's appropriate to the style and what he intended.

Absolute Unit Delta Plus (Noel Emits), Sunday, 27 May 2018 11:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

STG frustrates me a bit on that front. It is just a little harsh in those mids and my ears are also very sensitive to that. My preferred way to listen has become a normal position cassette of a CD-R rip of the vinyl ;-)

Absolute Unit Delta Plus (Noel Emits), Sunday, 27 May 2018 11:08 (ten months ago) Permalink

Whenever this thread is bumped I'm expecting news of an obscurities or live recordings dump on Bandcamp.

Ditzy Scene and Faster Than Snakes should appear at some point. What else is missing (apart from LSD)?

Absolute Unit Delta Plus (Noel Emits), Sunday, 27 May 2018 11:15 (ten months ago) Permalink

One day, the original A Balloon For Bertie's Party will emerge in its best-prog-song-by-a-teenager-ever glory

imago, Sunday, 27 May 2018 11:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

StGs big secret is that it's all drum machine apparently.

MaresNest, Sunday, 27 May 2018 11:49 (ten months ago) Permalink

Every beat was sequenced, it's a library of sampled Bob.

Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Sunday, 27 May 2018 12:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

Thanked by Cardiacs-hating record store employees for buying one of the band’s LPs because “our boss loves them and now he can’t play this in the shop anymore.”

— Andy Zax (@andyzax) June 6, 2018

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:41 (ten months ago) Permalink

He'll find a way

imago, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:17 (ten months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Guns seems pretty laid back for this band despite some typically energetic tracks. Or did Sing To God have this same balance?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 September 2018 10:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

It's definitely quieter but the emotions and the compositions are just as intense. It's a very tragic and mysterious album - very inspired by Night Of The Hunter

imago, Saturday, 15 September 2018 10:51 (seven months ago) Permalink

Had no idea about that. Wikipedia says it's utilized in a cut-up technique way, so perhaps not exactly inspired but just spliced in?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 September 2018 11:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

It is now nigh on nine months since the start of the Just Giving campaign, and perhaps high time for an update on how things have been going for Tim since then.
Unfortunately, at around the time of the launch, Tim became seriously ill, and it has taken him a while to get his strength back. Thankfully though, in the last couple of months his health has improved enough to start his rehabilitation in earnest.

So he now has:
*A Speech and Language Therapist
*A neuro-physiotherapist
*A masseuse
*A Feldenkrais therapist
*A Support Assistant to help with the everyday stuff
...and his own PA to coordinate things for him.

As well as this, he has a new state-of-the-art touch screen computer, and access to the resources needed to enable him to attend gigs more often.
Tim is at the beginning of what we hope will be an exciting journey for him, and it's all down to the financial support given, with love, by you.

With love from Mary x

MaresNest, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 10:48 (six months ago) Permalink


It's one of those things - if a 6Music show begins with "is this the life", I fear the worst thesedays. Thankfully, it's just that it's "time to play that record"

Mark G, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 11:01 (six months ago) Permalink

The JustGiving is still open so I'll bump it here:

(hopefully this will also remind to chip in again later)

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 11:47 (six months ago) Permalink

Would be amazing if those of us who care could keep him afloat with the yearly care costs as long as is required.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 13:56 (six months ago) Permalink

was really heartwarming to see a bunch of people donate to that campaign under famous musicians' names with a message about how inspired they were by him

I think I did three of the Monkees

frogbs, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 14:01 (six months ago) Permalink

Oh smart! I'm totally going to do that from now on.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 14:16 (six months ago) Permalink

From the Royal Conservatoire Of Scotland's FB page -

The man who inspired musicians Blur, Radiohead and Biffy Clyro is to be honoured at the RCS winter graduation on October 25. Tim Smith of the Cardiacs is to receive an Honorary Doctor of Music to celebrate his remarkable contribution to the music industry.

MaresNest, Friday, 19 October 2018 17:57 (six months ago) Permalink

Sweet. Congrats, doc.

Walter Wegmüller Fruit Corner (Noel Emits), Friday, 19 October 2018 18:31 (six months ago) Permalink

That said, FFS the man's contribution does not mainly consist of inspiring a bunch of more famous bands. Inevitable but ridiculous that Cardiacs (or anyone, really) should be framed like that. The Radiohead thing is highly spurious anyway so there's no need to hold him even partly responsible for that!

Walter Wegmüller Fruit Corner (Noel Emits), Friday, 19 October 2018 18:42 (six months ago) Permalink

I mean its essentially a press blurb, if it gets people interested mission accomplished. But yeah that really irks me too, I know nothing of "Biffy Clyro" but Cardiacs don't sound a thing like those other two bands. or anyone really.

frogbs, Friday, 19 October 2018 18:45 (six months ago) Permalink

except their army of devotee musicians keeping the flame alive :)

imago, Friday, 19 October 2018 18:48 (six months ago) Permalink

blur i can see btw; radiohead gtfo

imago, Friday, 19 October 2018 18:48 (six months ago) Permalink

Tim Smith, whose music inspired international luminaries such as Deep Turtle and Shrubbies...

Seriously though this is some nice news. ty Scotland

obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Friday, 19 October 2018 19:12 (six months ago) Permalink

Dawson, Dog-Faced Hermans or Stretcheads if they needed token Scottish act rather than LOL Biffy Clyro.

everything, Friday, 19 October 2018 21:24 (six months ago) Permalink

Haha yeah, Buntychunks vs Radiohead

MaresNest, Saturday, 20 October 2018 11:27 (six months ago) Permalink

Didn't realize Biffy Clyro were still big.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 20 October 2018 14:18 (six months ago) Permalink

Hope this links okay because it's unlisted, but here is the live stream for Tim's nomination at the Royal Conservatoire today, accepted on his behalf by Jim.

MaresNest, Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:40 (five months ago) Permalink

Jim deserves an award almost as much for his services to bass guitar tbh

imago, Thursday, 25 October 2018 20:11 (five months ago) Permalink

that video's lovely, thank you

imago, Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:24 (five months ago) Permalink

I thought so too, made me a little teary

MaresNest, Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:52 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Dr Tim

MaresNest, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 22:57 (four months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

And now the whole thing -

MaresNest, Sunday, 16 December 2018 17:47 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Just been announced Gong are headlining the Alphabet Business Convention weekender in July. Holy shit.

Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Sunday, 3 February 2019 21:34 (two months ago) Permalink

hardly a holy shit given Kavus' involvement :) but it'll be great, will try to go

imago, Sunday, 3 February 2019 21:39 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess. It still feels like a big deal for our little fan convention, though. It's growing!

Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Sunday, 3 February 2019 22:01 (two months ago) Permalink

Finished listened to the selftitled Sea Nymphs album. Absolutely loved it, maybe even more than Sing To God, so it might be my favorite Cariacs album so far.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 February 2019 16:34 (two months ago) Permalink

One of the most purely lovely things I've heard in quite some time.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 February 2019 16:35 (two months ago) Permalink

The new Sea Nymphs is pretty much just as good! (It's more conventionally song-y, perhaps - the s/t is all mysterious fragments and snatches)

imago, Friday, 15 February 2019 16:37 (two months ago) Permalink

Cosign, all Sea Nymphs is great, including the Mr & Mrs Smith and Mr Drake recordings, love 'em just as much as Cardiacs.

MaresNest, Friday, 15 February 2019 17:29 (two months ago) Permalink

Also, I was listening to some Ligeti Keyboard Works CD the other day and this struck me as very Sea Nymphs/Bill D

MaresNest, Friday, 15 February 2019 17:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Bill definitely skews less avant-garde than that but there's definitely a reminiscence in the flourishes! Good spot

imago, Friday, 15 February 2019 17:43 (two months ago) Permalink

Bill once mentioned Debussy as an early influence, and you can definitely hear that from Debussy's Tarantelle.

Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Friday, 15 February 2019 22:18 (two months ago) Permalink

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