The Jordan Peterson Thread

what a strange and embarrassing man. he clearly hasn’t had to face much intelligent questioning before either as his response is to get angry and pass off glib undefined statements as incontrovertible fact.

Which ILXor are you talking about again?

feeling v attacked rn

He's indefatigable:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8m21kw/i_am_dr_jordan_b_peterson_u_of_t_professor🕸/

ex colleague takes issue

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html

there have been many pieces that have taken him to task, and this might be the best

It's good, though the diagrams people have shared from Maps of Meaning make me wonder why so many in academic circles thought his work was so interesting/worthy in the first place.

I suppose it's a classic example of someone with a forceful/assertive approach in person steamrolling what would seem to an outsider to be obvious limitations.

Wow @ that piece

The AMA is quite the spectacle, it's full of fans answering lengthy texts in lieu of Peterson himself but in the stylings of the guru + people asking for advice for depression or lack of motivation (I have no friends, can't finish my projects, addictions, PTSD) + Peterson and the usual bullshit rhetoric. There is element of sadness that I can't quite shake, about how those fans kinda fight for his attention. Like he is the captain of some sort of lost soul ship just veering towards absolutely nowhere constructive for these people. Somehow, I suppose that if it were 6 years ago at the height of my depression, maybe I would have fallen in this vibe. My parents were very supportive and raised me with an unshakable faith in feminism so I don't quite believe it, after 2 weeks at the hospital the psychiatrist recommended I read The Game and I flat out refused. But really back then I needed a mentor figure at the time, someone to tell me that I wasn't alone, that I was part of something bigger and that this was the direction to go. He is so very effective at doing that right now, and it is so dangerous because that direction he is pointing out at is a flat out refusal to practice any sort of compassion or understanding.

I know I'm not bringing anything fresh at the table but I needed to express that. The AMA bit really got me from 'shitty media figure who says dumb stuff all the time' to understanding how easy it is for a intolerant figure to become a dominant force to vulnerable people, well not understanding it, but feeling it.

Gonna listen to some Carly Rae now.

after 2 weeks at the hospital the psychiatrist recommended I read The Game

seriously? what a weird recommendation.

fire that psychiatrist imo

unless hospital means mtv and psychiatrist was Mystery

if my psychiatrist recommended i listen to the queen album "the game" i probably would, although i fail to understand why anybody would think that album is as good as "jazz".

no, actually, i've had therapists recommend music to me and my reaction is usually "really, that sounds really good, i'll have to check that out", and then i never do. i did read "the magicians" at the urging of a therapist and thought it was fucking awful, though.

It were a therapist who turned me on to Camus

i've had therapists recommend music to me and my reaction is usually "really, that sounds really good, i'll have to check that out", and then i never do

think this is my stock response to anybody recommending anything to me

Me too and it always makes me feel like a terrible person

i have too many other things to feel like a terrible person about. also, whenever i make an exception i wind up regretting it. seriously, "the magicians" was fucking awful.

i'm all for people enthusing to me about things they love but i've got a theoretical backlog of things i wanna see/read/hear so long that i really can't be bothered giving somebody else cuts

A guy I know once recommended me some Brazilian singer. When I met him again a few years later he asked me if I had checked her out. And of course I hadn't. I haven't seen him for a few years now yet again, and now I fear running into him, which would mean I would have to admit that no I haven't checked her out. I have also forgotten her name, so I can't even listen to her out of duty.

eh just lie to him

My former therapist recommended "A Cyborg Manifesto", a book by Jessica Benjamin about recognition theory, and "The Night Porter"

That Toronto Star article is v interesting. I've started watching some of JP's lectures recently because he keeps popping up-- he really seems like a person trying to negotiate some kind of massive internal trauma.

That piece in the Star is A+. My only gripe is his gripe with the notion that kids aren't innately good – I thought that went without saying?

that's a victorian-era idea (that i have some fondness for).

the picture in that piece of the cop standing under the poster of JP making a stern big brother face is v good. half expected the caption to be "need i say more"

Good piece but long, very long.

preferred JP attack remains the mishra piece; there's a reason that's the one that hit him

Yeah, the Mishra piece is still the most precise and with the best perspective. The Current Affairs one is the funniest and the NYT interview the most self-incriminating. This is kinda the scariest. I don't get smart people who are still on board the JP-train.

https://media.giphy.com/media/1hM7SrWdFy2iRDcvgq/giphy.gif

My current psychiatrist recommended a bunch of books to be, because she'f previously been a researcher, and the claim is that people with bipolar disorder have less frequent and less severe episodes if they read about it. Not sure what the mechanism is supposed to be.

“You don’t understand. I am willing to lose everything, my home, my job etc., because I believe in this.” And then he said, with the intensity he is now famous for, “Bernie. Tammy had a dream, and sometimes her dreams are prophetic. She dreamed that it was five minutes to midnight.”

As a clinical psychologist, it's always important to trust things that are "sometimes" prophetic, and can mean whatever you want them to mean.

Canadaland has a scoop. I don't think it's all that damning/damaging on its own, but it definitely seems to be a tip-of-the-iceberg situation.

Jordan Peterson, the public figure, often talks about the patients of Jordan Peterson, the clinical psychologist. While he doesn’t name them, he frequently tells their stories and cites their issues, both to illustrate examples of the social ills he opposes, and as evidence of his success in helping people. (In his book, he notes that he has disguised details of their identity. Elsewhere, he does not say this.) By Peterson’s own description, his life as a public figure became “too hectic” for him to continue providing private counselling because he was worried he could “drift” or “make mistakes.” Ultimately, his public role won out, and Peterson left his private practice and stopped seeing patients.

Before he did, in the months when his old and new lives overlapped, one patient believes he did her more harm than good. Because of this, Samantha filed a misconduct complaint with the CPO that led to the regulatory body expressing “concerns” over a number of Peterson’s practices.

http://www.canadalandshow.com/how-jordan-petersons-fame-affected-his-private-practice/

i'm shocked - shocked! - that peterson is a shitty counsellor

Shortly before Jordan Peterson decided he couldn’t be both a media personality and a practicing psychologist at the same time, he cancelled sessions with patients, later claiming illness, while maintaining an appointment to appear on television; he responded to messages from patients with auto-reply emails which brought up the challenges of his burgeoning fame, directing recipients to send argumentative emails to his ideological opponents; he employed his wife to sort through emails from patients without first asking for their consent; he shared potentially identifying information about patients with other patients; and he twice visited the restaurant where Samantha worked, returning after she had implored him not to, having seemingly forgotten that she worked there.

the whole story is awful tbh

"he responded to messages from patients with auto-reply emails which brought up the challenges of his burgeoning fame, directing recipients to send argumentative emails to his ideological opponents"

cult leaders are the fuckin worst

it seems insanely unprofessional to have client email intermingled with his personal crap

he twice visited the restaurant where Samantha worked, returning after she had implored him not to, having seemingly forgotten that she worked there.

yeah this definitely seems like a tip of the iceberg situation

actually no this is more like an iceberg that is the tip of a bunch of other icebergs

“Dr. Peterson,” the panel wrote, “believed that he appropriately dealt with the transference issue by discussing transference and encouraging (Samantha) to play out the fantasy scenario in her imagination, but to embed that in an imaginative dramatization of all the real-world consequences that would ensue.”

Play out your fantasies about me in your imagination. If you can work in a dragon and it is eating my ideological opponents, that will be especially therapeutic.

oh god

https://i.redditmedia.com/vv022HpVc2ffrhcXjabYKI1O2LONtl8S8t6sB5XEInY.jpg?w=750&s=7f5e3f6d5b5f3941c255c313bd79faa7

Yeah, I read about that. A right wing pressure group invites him to speak - i think he still tries to avoid describing himself as right wing or conservative. Not good for the cash flow, I guess.

That cannot be real. That is fucking hilarious

everything toilet paper usa does is a hilarious self-own, this is entirely in keeping with their unblemished track record of idiocy

lmao

Also coming in lobster piss flavor. pic.twitter.com/Lf9CnFII1f

— ALTON⚙️🔧 (@8ALTON8) June 2, 2018

the font in that tpusa ad is apparently... lobster

https://www.dafont.com/lobster.font

incredible

Mark Millar tweeted support for JBP's stance on Elmo and now I have to go jump off a roof

mark millar the awful comics guy?

yes

afraid to ask what his stance on Elmo is??