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has anything from Vertigo ever been recoloured? even Sandman wasn't afaik

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 17:28 (one year ago) link

(went to Vertigo circa #37 iirc)

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 17:29 (one year ago) link

checked: #47.

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 17:31 (one year ago) link

I know at the very least that Flex Mentallo was controversially and fairly radically recolored for the collected edition.

oh ya

not muddy brown-&-purple to begin with though

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 18:05 (one year ago) link

Sandman was recolored for the massive omnibus versions.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 18:56 (one year ago) link

I've been tempted to re-read Shade the Changing Man but idk

I really soured on Sandman on my last re-reading (some thoughts here: Neil Gaiman - S/D)

Swamp Thing is still all-time great of course. That Bissette/Totleben artwork is some of the greatest comics art ever imo, I never get tired of looking at it.

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 May 2018 18:59 (one year ago) link

I don't know that Shade held up as well on a reread but there are bits that are still fantastic. It was probably my favorite of the bunch by the time Vertigo proper was underway.

Books of Magic is a sleeper. I love the majority of that first series. The initial Gaiman miniseries is also good.

yeah the initial Books of Magic miniseries is p good

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 May 2018 19:15 (one year ago) link

Sandman was recolored for the massive omnibus versions.

the question was about Vertigo comics

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 19:50 (one year ago) link

Gaiman's Sandman wasn't Vertigo?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 19:59 (one year ago) link

sic, you're slipping, man.

this is a v upsetting development

sic are u okay

Gaiman's Sandman wasn't Vertigo?

bg, the material largely and surprisingly holds up (I reread everything from Moore's ST through Lucifer about ten years back) even if some of it has the color range of a rusted rain barrel full of mud.

― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Friday, May 25, 2018 10:15 PM (yesterday)

oh yeah, i have a lot of fondness for a lot of vertigo stuff (and precursors like morrison's animal man, which is still maybe my favourite-ever run out of everything he's ever done) but damn i also have a lot of teenage memories of squinting at brown-and-purple-smeared pages trying to work out wtf is going on

― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Friday, May 25, 2018 10:26 PM (yesterday)

The recolourings are worse though, esp Sandman

90s computerised mud >> 00s computerised recolouring

― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, May 26, 2018 2:43 AM (three hours ago)

has anything from Vertigo ever been recoloured? even Sandman wasn't afaik

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(went to Vertigo circa #37 iirc)

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checked: #47.

― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Saturday, May 26, 2018 3:31 AM (two hours ago)

I know at the very least that Flex Mentallo was controversially and fairly radically recolored for the collected edition.

― I really like the acting, dialogue and especially the scenes (Old Lunch), Saturday, May 26, 2018 3:32 AM (two hours ago)

oh ya

not muddy brown-&-purple to begin with though

― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Saturday, May 26, 2018 4:05 AM (two hours ago)

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 20:11 (one year ago) link

It was the Sandman Absoloute Editions that were recolored.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 20:16 (one year ago) link

please to tell me which issues of Sandman #1 through #18 were published by Vertigo in the 1990s with a muddy brown-and-purple colour palette, and were also somehow numbered somewhere between #47 and #75

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 20:36 (one year ago) link

Dunno about any of that I'm just saying which Sandman books were recolored.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 25 May 2018 20:55 (one year ago) link

I'll give you eighteen guesses at which issues of Sandman were recoloured for the "absolute" editions

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:08 (one year ago) link

Whew, okay, didn't realize you were just kicking it up into uber-pedant mode, don't scare us like that bruh.

Mods, plz change thread title to 'The Vertigo (and properties which one might consider grandfathered into the Vertigo imprint, were one a dullard) Thread'

The colour pallette under discussion is specifically a Vertigo thing - though derived from pre-Vertigo Hellblazer, neither Sandman nor Doom Patrol nor Swamp Thing nor Shade The Changing Man nor Animal Man (under Morrison or Milligan or Truog) nor Black Orchid nor Watchmen nor Prez The Teenage President used it.

Plenty of '90s Vertigo that did use it could toootally benefit from a recolouring though, which is why I was asking!

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:52 (one year ago) link

or 12-issue collections of Sandman Mystery Theatre printed in b&w, with light half-toning if needed for clarity

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 25 May 2018 21:52 (one year ago) link

Would buy except that I wouldn't allow myself to get burned by a third SMT reprint project that distractedly wanders off before it's finished what it set out to do (the most recent having ended with a paltry two volumes).

I had also totally forgotten that Sandman wasn't always a Vertigo comic, so good to be reminded/corrected.

My fave Vertigo comics remain two mini-series written by Pete Milligan at the top of his game - The Extremist, with Ted McKeever, and Enigma, with Duncan Fegredo.

Ward Fowler, Saturday, 26 May 2018 07:43 (one year ago) link

Enigma was one of the best things to come out of Vertigo.

(In before the boffins: Enigma was actually intended to be part of Disney's Touchmark mature readers imprint along with several other titles that ultimately formed the foundation of Vertigo proper after Disney got cold feet.)

I always liked Sebastian O, from Grant Morrison’s “cheeky young man” phase, although it might have benefited from being half or twice the length.

I’ve started Enigma multiple times in my life and never finished it. Will try again this weekend.

Has the gap between Seaguy 1&2 been longer than the gap between 2 & now? Not that I need to see them - the sequel was only ok.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 26 May 2018 23:32 (one year ago) link

Vertigo was practically the Sandman imprint rather than vice versa and I’m not gonna budge on it

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Saturday, 26 May 2018 23:45 (one year ago) link

There’s definitely an argument that one of the reasons the imprint existed was because of the widespread recognition and respect that the Sandman was receiving - but even so that’s some impressively crazy talk there.

What it definitely was, was the Karen Berger imprint - I was wondering if the thread revive was related to her new imprint, which I haven’t read anything in yet.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 27 May 2018 06:31 (one year ago) link

Extremist and Sebastian O were also both Touchmark books iirc

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 09:50 (one year ago) link

Also Tattered Banners, Mercy. Maybe also Tell Me, Dark?

I think the Shadow's Fall miniseries by John Nay Rieber was Touchmark as well.

Duane Barry, Sunday, 27 May 2018 13:34 (one year ago) link

Tell Me Dark was published by DC pre-Vertigo, Shadows Fall was Touchmark, as was Mercy. Tattered Banners seems unlikely as it was so much later, not even faintly gothy, and neither Giffen nor McMahon were in Touchmark's promo, but iirc it did lay fallow for years before being finished without Giffen.

Still, if there's one thing we can say, it's that what Vertigo definitely was, was the Art Young imprint.

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 19:34 (one year ago) link

Five years between Seaguy 1 and Seaguy 2, nine years and counting since Seaguy 2.

Never mind though: yeah, Seaguy 2 was weak, Seaguy 1 was the worst of that cluster of Morrison minis, and Morrison is sadly bad not good now.

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 19:36 (one year ago) link

Here's a good rundown on the Touchmark backstory, with scans of promo material: https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-legends-revealed-321/

I think I mistakenly included Tattered Banners because it was announced very early, alongside many of the initial Vertigo titles, but as you mention wasn't released until many years later.

Tell Me Dark was published by DC pre-Vertigo

also not Vertigo:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/14/148518/2883281-better_mr_e_1_cover.jpg

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 23:01 (one year ago) link

K.w. jeter?!

Οὖτις, Sunday, 27 May 2018 23:07 (one year ago) link

Speaking of proto-Vertigo mature readers titles, I just remembered that a collection of Del Close and John Ostrander's Wasteland was hinted at a while back but has apparently disappeared into the ether. That's a bummer.

would for sure be a lesser reading experience in collection

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 23:52 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

A few of these are now being published by Dover, of all people, who have also rescued some other lovely, earlier comics works from neglect: http://store.doverpublications.com/by-subject-graphic-novels-and-comics-graphic-novels.html

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 June 2018 00:55 (one year ago) link

Oh sweet, thanks for the tip.

I have that Puma Blues collection. Or a Puma Blues collection. If it's Dover, I never noticed.

A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Thursday, 28 June 2018 01:20 (one year ago) link

If it's the 2015 one with the new ending, that's the Dover one.

There's only one Vertigo book in that lineup, really - Mercy was a Touchmark refugee, but probably came along with the Seekers rights when they were dealing with deMatteis.

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Thursday, 28 June 2018 02:00 (one year ago) link

Yeah, that's the Puma Blues edition I have. It's a nice big hardcover, which is not what I generally associate with Dover.

Delano's World Without End was a proto-Vertigo DC mature readers title.

A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Thursday, 28 June 2018 10:27 (one year ago) link

The Charyn/Boucq graphic novels are all essential, esp The Magician's Wife - just a shame the page size is smaller than on the original Catalan translations.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 28 June 2018 10:31 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

It ain't been what it once was for many a moon, but still...RIP(?) Vertigo.

Fucken DC, man...

Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 23:04 (three months ago) link

If true, it feels inevitable, but still sad.

And that 25th Anniversary celebration book didn't even materialise!

Duane Barry, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:06 (three months ago) link

My first reaction was, BUT... SEAGUY 3!!

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 19:45 (three months ago) link

I'm sure Morrison will be given carte blanche to do whatever he wants to do under the regular DC banner, but I'm not sure he'd want to given the changes they made to creator contracts a while back.

I mean, there's not much material change, as whatever little wisp of Vertigo currently remaining doesn't in any way resemble what it was back in the day, and since (as far as I can tell) the Vertigo-esque/Vertigo-lite stuff they've been publishing lately (eg Gerard Way's Young Animal stuff, the Sandman-verse titles) are unaffected. Even though the line has been a bloated drunken shut-in for most of its existence, I still mourn for the impact it had in its sleek and jaunty youth.

Howlin' Oates - 'Wang Can't Dang for That (No Can Doodle)' (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 19:54 (three months ago) link

I think the last Vertigo comic I bought before Seaguy was the third issue of The Invisibles. Inbetween was my “comics, they ARE just for kids” snooty teenage phase.

TBH, as a kid, Vertigo’s biggest draw was the extra boobs in SHADE.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:01 (three months ago) link


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