The Jordan Peterson Thread

YouTuber Contra Points did a good show about Jordan Peterson recently..

https://youtu.be/4LqZdkkBDas

sorry for mobile link weirdness. someone recommended her on a different thread about a week ago and from the videos I've see I find her to be really clear, really smart, and fucking hilarious.

My first long exposure to Peterson's, ah, thought:

Mr. Peterson illustrates his arguments with copious references to ancient myths — bringing up stories of witches, biblical allegories and ancient traditions. I ask why these old stories should guide us today.

“It makes sense that a witch lives in a swamp. Yeah,” he says. “Why?”

It’s a hard one.

“Right. That’s right. You don’t know. It’s because those things hang together at a very deep level. Right. Yeah. And it makes sense that an old king lives in a desiccated tower.”

But witches don’t exist, and they don’t live in swamps, I say.

“Yeah, they do. They do exist. They just don’t exist the way you think they exist. They certainly exist. You may say well dragons don’t exist. It’s, like, yes they do — the category predator and the category dragon are the same category. It absolutely exists. It’s a superordinate category. It exists absolutely more than anything else. In fact, it really exists. What exists is not obvious. You say, ‘Well, there’s no such thing as witches.’ Yeah, I know what you mean, but that isn’t what you think when you go see a movie about them. You can’t help but fall into these categories. There’s no escape from them.”

i kind of love it when handsome people are blessed with a ridiculous voice

Peterson working on his next magnum opus

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S04E19/1034699.jpg?b64lines=SSBBTSBOT1QKIEEgQ1JBQ0tQT1Qu

lmao Jordan Peterson has never felt oppression in his life

i kind of love it when handsome people are blessed with a ridiculous voice

yeah, and jordan peterson too

He always wears a suit. “I am a very serious person,” he often says.

You can almost hear Bowles wanting to add a "NARRATOR VOICE" joke here.

Narrator: "he is not a very serious person"

never thought i'd be nostalgic for the relatively harmless mental illness of dave sim but here we are i guess

Mr. Peterson stresses the importance of cleanliness, but honestly his office is a mess.

lol this asshole

never thought i'd be nostalgic for the relatively harmless mental illness of dave sim but here we are i guess

Eh, harmless only in that he's a lone nut who in the end only hurts himself, but you better believe that if he had his breakdown in 2018 there'd be an entire sub-culture there to enable him. And it'd be closer to incel shit than even Peterson.

holy shit @ that incel part, I totally get why this dude is popular among dumbasses now

like seriously is his whole shtick "hierarchies are necessary to society, except when it comes to women, who should be forced to marry undesirable men in order to protect their fragile male egos"

But aside from interventions that would redistribute sex, Mr. Peterson is staunchly against what he calls “equality of outcomes,” or efforts to equalize society. He usually calls them pathological or evil.

They misspelled "ekwoahlity of oatcomes"

It is hard not to laugh that Canadians speaking, true.

JBP to his art dealer: "thanks I hate it"

I've been extrapolating what the "rules" are according to dumb things I've read and assumed they were trite "have a firm handshake" garbage and, now that I've looked at the list on wikipedia... it's actually that dumb

he really ran out of steam halfway through

Oh come on, you've heard him say it.

xxp

somehow he neglected "wash your ass" in his twelve rules, which I feel is essential

The Muppets has gotten weird pic.twitter.com/fFLTQxD0ei

— PeterNorway (@classiclib3ral) March 30, 2018

lmao

the most offensive thing about the new jordan peterson piece is comparing him to a cat. rude to cats imo

apparently rule #12 is literally "pet a cat you see on the street"

my guess is that JP has a bunch of scratches on his arms

can we amend it to 'pet a cat you see in the zoo' and hope it starts thinning the herd of jbp stans a bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PESYQ6TGwhQ

this is good but i hate that the claim about gender pronouns continues to be repeated without question. it is easily his first lie. https://t.co/JXUo0EeekW

— vicky mochama (@vmochama) May 18, 2018

somehow he neglected "wash your ass" in his twelve rules, which I feel is essential

what you need to understand is that throughout all human history, ritual, and myth, the asshole represents chaos while the prick represents order, no soap and washcloth can change that fundamental truth and i will not be silenced

pls link me to yr patreon, i'd like to sign up for a 45-minute personal counselling session on this topic

what you need to understand is that throughout all human history, ritual, and myth, the asshole represents chaos while the prick represents order, no soap and washcloth can change that fundamental truth and i will not be silenced

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, May 18, 2018 11:44 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so if the prick is lawful evil and the asshole is chaotic evil what's neutarl

there is no neutral in Peterson's worldview, everything is binary

the taint is neutral, obv

Holy crap. I have never heard Jordan Peterson speak. I really thought that was some trippy Kermit the Frog for teaching children how to be good.

what you need to understand is that throughout all human history, ritual, and myth, the asshole represents chaos while the prick represents order, no soap and washcloth can change that fundamental truth and i will not be silenced

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, May 18, 2018 11:44 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you are dave sim and I claim my $5 CDN

I thought the Sim comparison was just kind of funny, but the more I think about it, there's a lot of depth to that juxtaposition

JP going on about myth, Dave claiming his deep reading of religious works helped him discover fundamental truths...

dave absolutely an ideological incel avant la lettre, too

Mr. Peterson illustrates his arguments with copious references to ancient myths — bringing up stories of witches, biblical allegories and ancient traditions. I ask why these old stories should guide us today.

“It makes sense that a witch lives in a swamp. Yeah,” he says. “Why?”

It’s a hard one.

“Right. That’s right. You don’t know. It’s because those things hang together at a very deep level. Right. Yeah. And it makes sense that an old king lives in a desiccated tower.”

But witches don’t exist, and they don’t live in swamps, I say.

“Yeah, they do. They do exist. They just don’t exist the way you think they exist. They certainly exist. You may say well dragons don’t exist. It’s, like, yes they do — the category predator and the category dragon are the same category. It absolutely exists. It’s a superordinate category. It exists absolutely more than anything else. In fact, it really exists. What exists is not obvious. You say, ‘Well, there’s no such thing as witches.’ Yeah, I know what you mean, but that isn’t what you think when you go see a movie about them. You can’t help but fall into these categories. There’s no escape from them.”

and once you get past this semantic cake dance you can admit hundreds and thousands of people were tried, tortured, and killed as witches, that we have documentation of all of this as historical fact, and could look at how the label was historically used and abused to kill people by church and state, how it ties into the long history of the legal dehumanization of women. but no, more fun to blabber about how you interpret popular imagination. in fact let's bring up dragons too, cos everyone loves it when you drop a rollplaying reference these days.

nothing unique in going on about myth and legend in the abstract pseudo philosophical vein. people eat that shit up. this guy is an intellectual slug. "look at how we categorize things! aren't we gaining insight." ofc it impressed the pseuds.

xxxxxp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MWi7MPQBKQ

Rule 10: Be precise in your speech

Rule 13: Wash a hat.

1. Stand up straight with your shoulders back
2. Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping
3. Make friends with people who want the best for you
4. Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today
5. Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them
6. Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world
7. Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)
8. Tell the truth – or, at least, don't lie
9. Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't
10. Be precise in your speech
11. Do not bother children when they are skateboarding
12. Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street

I'm going to paste the whole list because it's such a pleasant blend of real basic self-help common sense, vague bad advice, and shit I just need a couple more [looks out window for inspiration].

9. Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't

is this like a 12-steps thing, you have to do the earlier steps before you can do the later ones

at no point does Peterson ever seem to consider that his critics might know something he doesn’t

I've got new rules I count 'em

That list is like the opposite of Gen X and Bill Murray credos, other than leaving skateboarders alone. It's a correction.

somehow he neglected "wash your ass" in his twelve rules, which I feel is essential

― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Friday, May 18, 2018 3:04 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yX5DshF-Hs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0xDGXotGIE

I thought the Sim comparison was just kind of funny, but the more I think about it, there's a lot of depth to that juxtaposition

a year or so ago one of the commenters on the Cerebus blog that Sim doesn't run was trying to get him to link up with Peterson so that they could share wisdom and Cerebus' audience would grow by exposure to Peterson stans

Dave, of course, refused to countenance reading Peterson because as a representative of Canadian universities, which are poisoned by Marxist-feminist wrongthink, any connection to Sim would be rendered negative

(l-r) jordan peterson, dave sim

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/023/397/C-658VsXoAo3ovC.jpg

actually that’s not fair sim has undeniable talent despite the brain worms

Two days ago. PERFECT combination.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bi0y_xnFVCN/