"The Wire" on HBO

season four will turn your face into a heart
(and stomp on it)

yeah the second Marlo started handing out hundreds of dollars to dumb kid I was like "NOT GOOD NOT GOOD RED FLAG THIS WILL NOT END WELL"

And then Season 5 is like Johnny Rotten sneering "did you ever have the feeling...you'd been cheated?" or whatever he said

no one tell me anything about season 5!!!!

you wouldn't believe us if we did

Season 4 is my fav theme song so far, followed by 1, 3, and 2 very far in the distance

respect

I like the original Tom Waits original but understand people not appreciating him because he’s way into his shtick

season four’s version is unjustly maligned but really fits the direction in an honest way

it’s maligned???

also yeah as someone who’s never listened to Tom Waits it sounds like a really absurd parody of what I imagine Tom Waits to be like

it makes more sense in the context of frank's wild years

i got so good at skipping ahead to the weekly quote. the waits thing was unbearable to me.

The Neville Brothers version (s3) is by far the best. I love the JESUS!!! and the trashy sounding cowbell.

otm

never noticed how egregiously performative Clay Davis is during his court testimonial in the last season, which is the same as his dialogue in every other season

his intonation and accent are nothing like his actual base, he has some wild speechifying thing that isn't just grandiose, it sounds like he's doing some arch-black leader thing the whole time. jeeeeeezuuuuus

There's a lot of shitty acting through the whole thing tbh

I don't think I could really rate it much above LOST, and that isn't a compliment, much as I love LOST

hmm mh could be describing johnny cochran

I don't think it was shitty acting, I think his character was doing the state rep does black savior voice plus sheeeeeiiit

I have no judgment re: cochran but I'm definitely not able to make that judgment

Tbh his sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiit was a highlight of any episode he was in

I think they call it pandering (random xposts)

sheeeiiiit isn't pandering, just amazing and his shtick

iirc he deliberately switches to his performative mode bcz he knows he's fucked legally? it's a last-ditch effort to pull his usual media / "lower orders" bullshit, mainly in case it makes him look good to ppl he'll have to fool in order to make a comeback after jail, but it ends up playing in the room too? I only watched it once, ten years ago, tho

there are very few instances in the series where he actually speaks to the public as opposed to a couple guys in a meeting

ok I finished season 4, it was great I loved the idea of showing this transition from childhood to adulthood

I'm 6 episodes into season 5 and it is preposterous and sloppily written and unpleasant to watch. It's embarrassing that the writers thought Freamon or McNulty behaving like this would be remotely believable. Like, McNulty is dumb and flawed but he is not this naive.

also every time Clay Davis says "sheeeeeit" it's so exaggeratedly drawn out that it feels like a weird Tim & Eric bit and very unreal

I felt that way at the time of its release but in hindsight I've come around to thinking both that the scenario is preposterous and that McNulty actually is that dumb and flawed and naïve. His Achilles heel is being skilled and competent but thinking he's actually a genius and subsequently stretching way past the limits of his skill and competence. He basically just goes full Raskolnikov in season 5.

xpost, obv

and the plotline does at least result in one all-time funny scene

Not sure if it's the one you're referring to, but the moment when McNulty and the reporter sniff each other out is all-time.

The point of season 5 is to draw out the preposterousness of the systems and their perverse incentives (once again), it fits in with the rest of the series just fine. There is the issue of having to invent new stakes since by this point they’ve done so much damage to the cast your average viewer is a bit numb, IMO.

TBF (and I’m going to probably get blown up for this) I suspect there’s a mildly patronizing aspect to how audiences come down on Seasons 2 and 5 but not on the others, because poor black people in Baltimore have few options and therefore their shitty decisions are just sad, but white and middle-class black Baltimoreans with access to straight jobs ought to know better than to lie, cheat and steal, and so we treat their OTT corruption with less suspension of disbelief. Not a judgement of the characters or their real life analogues, duh; just in how we watch the show.

It’s all coming out of the same writers’ room based on their experiences (plus a lot of what-iffing and using local urban legends as fuel).

Nah he means the scene in which the psychological profiler comes up with a profile for the "killer" that basically describes McNulty to a tee.

Oh yes, also all-time. One of West's best performances on the series.

Season 2 is fine! I get why ppl hate it bcz it's more of a departure from the primary narrative than any of the other seasons, but it's still great television

it's not that i'm aghast that the cops are lying, cheating, and stealing -- this has been established throughout the whole show -- but mutilating corpses in order to get more funding when there IS. NO. MORE. FUNDING. is such a massive risk for such an unlikely payoff, like no one in their right mind would do something this fucking stupid? McNulty maaaaaaaaaybe but Freamon? oh come on fuck no

it is preposterous and sloppily written and unpleasant to watch.

It really does feel like everyone behind the scenes got fired and replaced by scabs. Wire season 5 = Simpsons season 50 or whatever.

TBF (and I’m going to probably get blown up for this) I suspect there’s a mildly patronizing aspect to how audiences come down on Seasons 2 and 5 but not on the others, because poor black people in Baltimore have few options and therefore their shitty decisions are just sad, but white and middle-class black Baltimoreans with access to straight jobs ought to know better than to lie, cheat and steal, and so we treat their OTT corruption with less suspension of disbelief. Not a judgement of the characters or their real life analogues, duh; just in how we watch the show.

interesting analysis, I think I like it for season 2 but season 5 has so many other issues making it hard to disentangle

Season 2 is always going to suffer on the first view because it's not the same story and not the same people (or it takes long enough to return to being the same people) - I think there's a lot of people on this thread saying they appreciated it more on a second viewing.

Huh? The Barksdale crew is there (getting its NPR on) from the first episode! (Or do you mean it takes a while for Major Crimes to get together again?)

That and also the focus is more on the new people (because they're new, even if they're not getting more screen time than the old).

It takes longer for the Major Crimes unit to get together in season 2 than in season 1, which is kinda perverse. But also necessary, as I think I've said a couple times at this point.

I think David Simon said that he didn't anticipate people thinking the serial killer storyline in season 5 was unrealistic because they managed to do the whole Hamsterdam thing in season 3 which is so much more absurd, and which people seemed to buy. The whole series is about people trying to go outside of the rules of the systems, and the systems grinding them down; season 1 begins with McNulty breaking chain of command to get at Barksdale. So in that way it fits, with the desperation of it making it more suited for a last season. But I suspect the problem is it gets tangled up into the character arcs of McNulty and Freamon, where it doesn't fit as well. I buy McNulty being so stupid, but probably not Freamon.

there have been crazier municipal experiments than Hampsterdam

Freamon is leading the MCU towards getting Marlo’s organization when the cuts come down, breaking up his team. I think it makes sense for him to see the opportunity in McNulty’s ruse. This is a guy who started dating his stripper informant in S1.

Hampsterdamn has plausible logic and is a good idea
Serial killer has implausible logic and is a bad idea

Also we are given information about Colvin that make this decision believable: he’s incredibly smart, he’s close to retirement and gives no fucks, he’s basically being forced to make the impossible happen as a last-ditch effort by Rawls.

McNulty, on the other hand, sure he’s a stubborn dumb drunk but there is so much risk with the serial killer thing, with so much at stake, and the goal just seems unlikely to happen no matter what that it feels very much not worth any of this, and it’s still hard to imagine him being THIS stupid

Y’all this is exactly the kind of half-baked plot that Ziggy would have hatched, like this is actually Ziggy-level dumb

No way does Hamsterdam has plausible logic. And Colvin not realizing this could hurt his subordinates makes no sense, and only gets a pass because we really don't know the guy at that point, so he might just be callous.

So Colvin is smart and fed up, so it’s plausible for him to do something that will obviously end in tears and recriminations. But McNulty is stupid/crazy and fed up, so it is ridiculous to accept that he would do something that will obviously end in tears and recriminations.

I think you nailed it right above, though, where you indicated your opinion that Hamsterdam is a good idea and the fake serial killer is a bad idea

Yes, tbf I don't think the show ever presents McNulty's idea as anything but a bad idea.

waaaaaahhhh I just finished the season waaaahhhhh

I have to say, I savored the unraveling of serialkillergate more than I thought I would, almost to the point where it made Season 5 kinda-worth-it

FUCK Dukie becoming a user tho, god that was so fucking tragic

also Prezbo with a beard stunned me w his hotness and I was not expecting that and I have no idea how he got SO much hotter w a beard

I still to this day can't deal with Dukie. That knocked the wind out of me. It's just too damn real.