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Love the first half of "Heard Ya Missed Me..." and that title track is fantastic.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link

“I Don’t Do Drugs Anymore, So Trust Me When I Say That Everything’s Cool!”

sounds like a good "clickbait that would make a good album title"

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 10 May 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link

The album title is only slightly more on the nose than the song titles and lyrics (which are nowhere to be found on the internet BTW). “Everything In You Has to Come Out,” “What Was I Thinkin’ In My Head” – every lyric on this is some perversion of the optimism of his earlier records—“Everybody Is a Star,” “Life,” “Stand”—into this staring-into-the-abyss “Holy shit, I’m gonna DIE/Please give me one more chance” desperation.

It’s obviously not as successful or revolutionary as, say, There’s A Riot Goin’ On. But in a lot of ways the result is infinitely more pained.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 11 May 2018 05:21 (five years ago) link

Thanks, don. Speaking of Dennis Coffey, his book wasn’t bad either. Recommended reading about the rise and fall and return of a studio ace running the maze of interrelated Motor City music worlds.

The Great Atomic Cat Power (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 10:17 (five years ago) link

Remembered the first two words but had to look up the full title: Guitars, Bars and Motown Superstars.

The Great Atomic Cat Power (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 10:22 (five years ago) link

The idea that High on You is anywhere near the banality of Heard Ya Missed Me is just ludicrous.

High On You is definitely second tier Sly, but Heard Ya Missed Me is, like, fifth tier by that measuring stick.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link

xxp Thanks, James! Posted your tip about the book here:
Diary of a POLL Star: what are your most/least favorite books by musos?

dow, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 03:11 (five years ago) link

I'm slightly annoyed that Ten Years Too Soon is so hard to find on the interwebs. The "(I Get) High on You" remix is pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF06ACOtc1M

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link

All about fresh

Incline/decline (Ross), Thursday, 17 May 2018 15:15 (five years ago) link

The idea that High on You is anywhere near the banality of Heard Ya Missed Me is just ludicrous.

High On You is definitely second tier Sly, but Heard Ya Missed Me is, like, fifth tier by that measuring stick.

I know I’m kinda dying on this hill, but it’s partly because I only just heard Heard Ya Missed Me and some of it surprised me in ways that very little else he recorded after 1974 does.

But High On You drops off precipitously after the first two tracks – I wouldn’t say any of it is “bad,” just kind of faceless, which is odd for a guy who was always pretty distinctive, melodically, rhythmically and lyrically. “That’s Loving You” is a nice enough ballad but this (as opposed to much on his next album) is the one where he’s aping that Philly sound. “Who Do You Love,” “Organize” and “Greed” are just sort of shout-y jams – fine enough but not particularly tuneful or interesting lyrically. “Green Eyed Monster Girl” (despite a dope title) is sort of a sub-Booker T instrumental. I actually like “Le Lo Li” which is a bit of a return to the string soul stuff on Small Talk – and “My World” has nice chord progression and feels a bit like something off the pre-Stand records. The fuzz bass chorus of “So Good to Me” is a nice change of pace. But again: nothing sniffs the (really) good title track and epic groove of “Crossword Puzzle.” None of this makes High On You a bad record or anything – just not one I need to hear from time to time.

In contrast, Heard Ya Missed Me has several surprising arrangements – the Latin title track, the gospel vox and hi-hat and string interplay of Everything In You” are just two examples. “Mother Is a Hippie” has a great juxtaposition between the chorus and verse – this is one place where the strings have a Philly thing going on but they’re just a color.

Also these lyrics are just awesome for how the detox metaphors (my transcription) blend with the clenched teeth smile of the music:

Everything in you has to come out
Everything in you has to come out
If you want to let your light shine
Everything in you has to come out

In order to know who’s your brother
You might want to be a good brother
It’s up to you don’t be sad
Do what you do and be glad

Everything in you has to come out
Everything in you has to come out
If you want to let your light shine
Everything in you has to come out

In order to hear with you listening
You have to know what you’re missing
You can begin to confide
If your best friend is inside

Nothing we need we will lose with
What we need we’re abusing
In order to feel who to part with
Make sure it is you who you start with

Everything in you has to come out
Everything in you has to come out
If you want to let your light shine
Everything in you has to come out

Again, a great record? No. But there’s a lot to enjoy here—lyrics, hooks, counterpoint, and clever arrangements—and on the whole is the most interesting thing he did after 1974 by some distance.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 18 May 2018 12:59 (five years ago) link

I'm with you.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 18 May 2018 15:03 (five years ago) link

It’s possible I just wrote more words than have been written in aggregate on that record over the last forty-two years.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 18 May 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link

I think you're overstating the "interesting" aspects of Heard Ya Missed Me by quite a lot.

I don't understand how Sly mimicking the Philly Soul sound is a good thing at all. I mean, Philly Soul and McFadden and Whitehead are fine, but I find it really disappointing that someone as unique as Sly would ditch his one of a kind sound for a (sub-par) imitation of what was essentially a cookie cutter operation. To me, that just magnifies the record's shortcomings.

At least he still sounds like himself on High on You. Granted, a not as good version of his previous self, but still undeniably him.

I feel like Heard Ya Missed Me could have been made by any number of people.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 18 May 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link

I don't really think he's mimicking Philly Soul that much tbh.

Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Friday, 18 May 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link

Neither do I. I noted the two songs he did seem to be – one was a small flourish on Heard Ya Missed Me, the other was on High On You.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 18 May 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

Sounds terrible tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 December 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link

horrible title.

In all honesty I am amazed that Sly still lives. If he's making the money he's due now, then bless him.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 28 December 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link

Sure, agreed. But a movie about his last 10 yrs as a crack addic trying to get paid sounds like a p grim one

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 December 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link

Uh yeah. I don’t really have a lot of desire to gawk at Sly in his present state.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:39 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Posting this interview as a tribute to Dr. Morbius since the portrait picture you usually see of him was taken by the interviewee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gbUGS8sots

Here Comes a Slightly Irregular (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 October 2020 04:04 (three years ago) link

eight months pass...

Newmark kills it on “in time.” What a groove

calstars, Sunday, 11 July 2021 18:08 (two years ago) link

I'd say Fresh is his second-best record.

It appears that the documentary mentioned two and a half years ago is still unreleased. It's amazing that George Clinton seems to have been the only person in the last 40 years to bring anything to completion with Sly, who is also just about the only person in Clinton's memoirs who receives a vivid portrait. Clinton spends a lot more time in his book talking about ideas than other people.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 11 July 2021 18:29 (two years ago) link

I'd say Fresh is his second-best record.

not trying to be aggressive or argumentative here, but i thought that was the generally accepted consensus? riot and fresh the firm 1 + 2, with the #3 spot *usually* going to stand, but even that was never as firm a lock as the top two.

"skin i'm in" popped up yesterday while shuffling my ipod and, MAN YES, calstars! newmark just owns the whole album and rusty allen is right there with him. just some super fat, warm grooves all over that album. very dope.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Sunday, 11 July 2021 23:12 (two years ago) link

Yeah. I don’t want to disparage Ericco though, he is fantastic on the earlier stuff, full of groove and space. I guess Sly could pick ‘em

calstars, Sunday, 11 July 2021 23:30 (two years ago) link

I guess I'm remembering the Rolling Stone Top 100 1967 to 1987 list, which contained BOTH Stand and Greatest Hits, despite the latter record containing about 90% of what people want to hear on the former.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 12 July 2021 00:49 (two years ago) link

that line about the midget does not fly in 2021. #slyiscancelledparty

peace, man, Monday, 12 July 2021 01:31 (two years ago) link

Fresh > Riot > [if we can't choose the classic pre-Riot Greatest Hits] Dance To The Music (the medley is just sublime, some of the most exciting music comitted to tape, and as great as Stand! is, Sex Machine and the long, turgid Don't Call Me ****** are hard skips for me)

burnt hombre (stevie), Monday, 12 July 2021 08:15 (two years ago) link

And I really love large chunks of Small Talk, High On You and Back On The Right Track

burnt hombre (stevie), Monday, 12 July 2021 08:16 (two years ago) link

Relistening to Sex Machine now and hush my mouth, it is a jam. Stll think Dance To The Music is the stronger album, though.

burnt hombre (stevie), Monday, 12 July 2021 08:36 (two years ago) link

Fresh > Riot

correct

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 July 2021 10:21 (two years ago) link

Fresh is great, but Riot is the greatest album of all time

J. Sam, Monday, 12 July 2021 14:09 (two years ago) link

I was at a yard party last weekend where the hosts were spinning Greatest Hits and I told my friend it seemed at the time, on that sultry summer day, to be the best record ever.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 12 July 2021 14:16 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/eGm2Pqo.png

Cynthia ❤️

calstars, Monday, 12 July 2021 14:16 (two years ago) link

Timing.

Fantastic news: @NovenaCarmel just revealed that #SummerofSoul director @questlove will be making a documentary about her dad, Sly Stone. pic.twitter.com/CSANjx8WL9

— Яandall 🎧 Яoberts (@LilEdit) July 12, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 July 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link

Fantastic news... Summer Of Soul is just brilliant, one of the best music documentaries I've ever seen.

burnt hombre (stevie), Monday, 12 July 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Whenever they knew Sly was gonna miss a gig they should have sent that dude out there and let the chips fall...

That would be almost as hilarious as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5C2woQLgto

birdistheword, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 04:36 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMQhO-ee-Cw

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 24 August 2022 06:59 (one year ago) link

eat your heart out mike flowers pops

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 15:11 (one year ago) link

at least the Dick Jensen video had a recommend for this (although, bass player absolutely ruled):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ_QaEir7FU

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link


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