Smog - "A River Ain't Too Much to Love"

I still get The Emperor in my head sometimes tho

some Smog stuff was made when he was pretty young and certainly partly speak from that perspective but "juvenile" is fucking off the mark

i will fight you

I am Star Wars is his best song imo, it's his later stuff I find immature. And putting a snarling cat on the cover of Knock Knock was a dick move. Anyway I don't actually like coming on to threads to diss ppl, just woke up too early and pissed off.

*I am Star Wars!

But he did ignore them xpost

― albvivertine, Thursday, May 10, 2018 7:24 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes but DO YOU NOT SEE he suffers for it?! The goddamn regret!

I used to love Smog but eventually started thinking/realised it was a case of loads of signifiers (slow, meaningful sounding delivery, music largely a secondary consideration) but nothing to actually signify (his lyrics are juvenile)

― albvivertine, Thursday, May 10, 2018 7:27 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is insanity.

he's an incredible lyricist and i think it's pretty apparent in lbi's excerpt?

in no way would i consider something like "our anniversary" juvenile

putting a snarling cat on the cover of Knock Knock was a dick move

what

Albvivertine no offense but i feel like yr opinion here is like one of a worldly 25 year old who totally gets it now maaan. I recognize a lot of these songs speak from a dramatic space of youthful angst and alienation but there is still a power in them that affects me as a grown ass adult. He was and is an incredibly piercing lyricist.

xp cat power breakup? I dunno, I think that cover’s hilarious.

i'm not sure juvenile is the right word but his vocabulary is limited, and i think his lyrics reflect that, so they can be misinterpreted as lacking self-reflection or being juvenile

pretty sure the limited vocabulary is intentional. i've always felt a child-like simplicity to his lyrics, but the sentiments expressed are very mature.

Yeah his whole thing is kinda depth-in-simplicity.

he's got the voice and songwriting ability to cut straight to the feeling, so why labor over ten dollar words?

right, i'm not saying it's not on purpose

i was also gonna say his singing adds to it, but again, it's done on purpose

his lyrics are juvenile

been a while since we had a good OFF t.m.

man, I don't know, I'm just a simpleton that knows for nothing when it comes to songwriting, but I find stuff like this from "River Guard" to really strike a chord:

Most nights I go for a drive
To to the highest place I can find
Stand there on a cliff with goose flesh
Watching the wind rip the leaves of the trees

Death defying
Every breath
Death defying

Soon we all be back in the yard
Behind the wall
Leaving heart
Dreaming of cool rivers and tall grass

A) I shouldn't post just to diss B) I shouldn't post if I've just woken up after three hours sleep. Also I gave up on Bill on Dongs, ppl have said his best work has come since.

Juvenile is the right word, but with the negative connotation of the word removed and made a positive.

I've always thought of Bill Callahan as "The American Morrissey"-- which is simply to say, that if Morrissey's lyrics contain the best jokes in English music, Callahan's lyrics contain the best in American music. But there are also similarities and distinctions-- and both lyricists I would describe as unashamedly juvenile. "I am Star Wars today! / I am no longer English grey!" etc. Sometimes, in conversation, I've brought up both songwriters as marking the distinct difference between American and British senses of humour, calling the former "funny" and the latter "witty".

But yes, he's juvenile. Dress Sexy At My Funeral? Eid Ma Clack Shaw? 37 Push-Ups / And I feel like Travis Bickle? I wanna live in a bathysphere? Bill is in touch with the baby that lives within every adult male and he's making its ridiculous needs sound funny and poetic

I stan for early Smog and love Julius Caesar and Wild Love more than anything, and don't have much time for the basic-dumbass shit on Dongs Of Sevotion and thereabouts, but adore his recent records maybe most of all

hm reframed like that it's practically otm

He's one of my favourite songwriters, I think about his lyrics all the time

so because of this thread i re-listened to red apple falls

took me 20 or whatever years back and brought pretty vivid memories of listening to tracks like to be of use

definitely one of my favourite albums of all time

i also feel like there is a lot of bad stuff he released afterwards, but his recent stuff sounds decent

also i'm not sure if it's the production quality but he sounds so young on red apple falls

Why is everybody looking at me like there's something fundamentaly wrong?

i always cringe a bit every time i hear the intro to 'the well'. "this one's called... The Well"

can you imagine if every singer did that before every song? lmao

lots of decay in los angeles and to a greater extent outside of it

jesus sorry billy man that was meant for the masculinity thread lol

*anyway*

wanted to post this, which is pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHVNUrcyJy8