David Fincher's serial killer chat 'em up MINDHUNTER

Season 2 details: eight episodes, two directed by Fincher, two by Andrew Dominik, four by Carl Franklin.

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Carl Franklin did a couple of the best House of Cards (I remember making note of that); also did a few Leftovers, although I don't remember which ones.

So apparently the show is going to be doing some shooting in the greater Pittsburgh area and they put out casting calls for paid extras to play "hippies, protestors, students and FBI agents." They're doing one casting call at a popular concert venue about 15 minutes from me. I would love to do something like this!

http://mindhuntercasting.com/MINDHUNTER-CASTING/mindhunter.html

S2 filming just wrapped

i'm probably going to give this a screening again before S2 hits (maybe in spring, early summer??) I'm still amazed at how much they managed to put into the first episode, going all the way from the incident at the beginning to Holden and Bill's argument in the car, and so much in between.

I always forget this scene, because it leads directly without break into the first scene with Debbie, but I like the conversation between Holden and the lecturer in the bar. It's *extremely* on the nose, but in a way I enjoy because I suspect it's how those dudes would actually talk about the subject, and it's a good setup for Holden's increasing interest in this kind of violent crime study.

too much of this is on-the-nose tbh im not sure ill bother with s2 altho theres a lot to like

says man who reads robert jordan and stephen king

what does “chat me up” in thread title refer to?

The lead character's job is to get serial killers talking so they can work up profiles.

says man who reads robert jordan and stephen king

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 01:22 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

says man who does whatever it is that would insert here to make this pathetic point

cmon ta fuck

settle down there

is this going to be a whole pistols at dawn thing or

my god i think jm just provoked me like a ....mindhunter

ok if my dismissal above was a little too punchy, how's about:

s1 nailed a few really strange and compelling aspects- style, casting, *mood*, the quite excellent ambition in how they foreshadowed our main villain (even if this only ever remains an "all the while, this was happening" contrast, which we can probably discount.

but it devolves disappointingly into our freak of the week, genius maverick move from our guy stuff. and the personal life stuff is formulaic, heavy-handed, etc

its the serial killer mad men, with trite identification of grisly murderers standing in for trite advertising pitch to chainsmoking brillcreemers

I realise my comment looks much more unpleasant than it was intended to be, and i apologise unreservedly. I just meant that I thought you had a higher tolerance for than your feelings about mindhunter suggested.

For PREPOSTEROUSNESS i meant

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sorry i should be clearer tbf

i did read it as a kinda scathing comment out of nowhere and reacted badly, but as it was meant its a fair query

can only say i guess that the gaps i feel are in mindhunter pull it below what id wish for based on what it achieves on other levels, whereas the likes of king, if i were to read these days, keep their faults to a level of consistency/vibe within the work that does the job i need it to

obv highly subjective.

nb will probably watch this as a result of going over the cooler parts in my head in order to defend position

what does “chat me up” in thread title refer to?

i guess the evolving BTK sideplot is supposed to be a carrot for us? but i dont really care about that, the show will just as likely suffer as improve if and when the action moves to that case, and no more freak of the week.

i'm not super excited about S2, but what the show does well (pretty much: freak of the week) is too good to miss so i'll def watch

i just wanna watch dude talk to sociology grad students

thanks kinder. Was debating whether to step in myself :)

Despite my feelings that serial killer stories basically appeal to the same impulses as superhero stories -- the daft codenames, the secret identities, the silly MOs, the OTT violence, the titillation, the characters living outside rules of society (which is why I think Heath Ledger's Joker was such a hit, combining the comics and serial killer worlds so successfully) -- I have enjoyed Mindhunter tremedously, even with its flaws.

I've never been a particularly huge fan of the titillation factor in serial killer fiction (or fact!), what does work is the element of solving the mystery or the great spooky unknown out there and trying to stop them, and also the ultimate reasons behind their killer instincts. well i guess it's arguable as to whether or not that involves a bit of the titillation factor, probably it does. but i appreciate how the show doesn't linger long on graphic violence, and how in fact beyond the opening scene of the show the only onscreen violent act is a very quick, non-graphic one involving a bird.

The one thing confirmed about “Mindhunter” Season 2 is that it will feature the Atlanta Child Murders. As executive producer David Fincher told Billboard in 2017, “Next year we’re looking at the Atlanta child murders, so we’ll have a lot more African-American music which will be nice.”

i uh

what

Xpost yes, i thght the lack of violence was refreshing. serial killers interest for me was not ab the violence but the understanding of all types of ppl. understanding society.

I've been waiting for this. (Very awkward quote about the music there--the music in the first season was quite good at times.) I think I started James Baldwin's book on those murders but may not have finished it.

That quote is so gross. Fuck serial killer entertainment.

"Nice"

Clem, what book is it? By Baldwin

I was watching Marcella but just bailed on season two because it's all about child murder and pedophilia and I am like ffs, this is not entertainment.

It's weird how they keep making seasons of shows I don't watch.

i refuse to believe it

(xpost) The Evidence of Things Not Seen:

http://www.amazon.ca/Evidence-Things-Not-Seen-Reissued/dp/0805039392

(Coincidence: reading another book right now, a true-crime thing, that uses that for a chapter title.)

I agree that that Fincher quote is insensitive to say the least, but as far as the show goes, it can't be news that great art comes from the worst sort of human behaviour imaginable.

Season 1 might not have been great art, but it was good art for sure.

Thanks! Will order the book.

Found out that Damon Herriman (Dewey Crowe from Justified) is playing Charles Manson this season & I am v happy with that casting, i reckon he’ll be great

He's also playing Manson in the Tarantino movie

Yeah, the idea that no art should be made about crimes is completely moronic and censorious, though not quite as stupid as the notion that all art is no more than entertainment, as if the reaction of every viewer to every piece of art ever made can be assumed to be the same and thus this subject is off limits.

Works should be judged on their merits but even things we find stupid or cheap probably still prompt a broadening of our perspective as we form those views.

Well, maybe not, but I get Yerac's point.

yeah, like how many more times do we need to see gratuitous rape that serves no purpose to a plotline (fictional plotlines not true crime docs). I was reading a thing about Hannibal and how they purposefully stayed away from those types of things and still managed to make a singular, super expressive and beautiful show about gruesome crimes.

Some things are good, others are bad.

i just started this (s1, e4 so far) and made the mistake of watching an ep right after an old brooklyn 99 and now i can't unsee tench as scully :(

i have other thoughts also inc.the fact that a piece i wrote for arena mag in 1989, abt serial killers as a rising pop cult phenom, quoted the kemper head-on-a-stick line that's upthread -- and that bret easton ellis probablhy read arena mag in those days and so i gave him the idea for american psycho. but not the idea that ed gein said that line

the giant dateline intertitles are excellent and hilarious and always a bit scary

my sister pointed out that holden looks like MACRON so this is a wild ride every time i'm reminded this is the sequence-killer-chatting adventures of macron and scully (but not that scully)

I've thought that myself, he really does.

lol the sequence i am finding it hardest to watch is when he is teaching the little schoolkids abt the "disturbed" -- it's like DON'T SAY THAT, DON'T SAY THAT EITHER, OH NO OH NO, DON'T SAY THAAAAAAAT :(

i didn't really like the holden ford character to start with -- it was like someone over-performing not having a clue, his levels of rigidity and of openness seemed bogus -- but after the tickling ep maybe it's beginning to gel

(i also feel like each ep is beginning with the chesspieces of each character's stance and perspective not in quite the same place (or quantity) they were at the end of the previous ep -- something like that, i don't know how to explain it -- but i like this aspect, it fits in with goffman kinda) (i have read no goffman, but what i imagine goffman is talking about)

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JOLIET
Illinois

ok the scene where they brainstorm thru to "serial killer" is bad