does Nerdstrom report to gabbneb at the DNC?
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
i don't actually know what Greenwald's politics are but his husband is a socialist politician
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
i quit reading GG more than a year ago and he is very annoying on a lot of subjects, but he is not a libertarian, and it's "stupid" (to borrow the only adjective fred appears to know) to keep saying that
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
he's not libertarian much at all. He's just very strident in the contrarian positions that he takes. He's really treating Joy Reid like a chew toy in the past few days.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
can't imagine why he'd be taking offense at joy ann reid right now
― Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
it ain't hard tbh
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
His focus on Joy Reid has been ongoing, MSNBC anchors are usually the culprit when the president or the GOP does something bad.. Also he’s definitely not the guy who gets to complain about anyone else’s problematic old blog posts.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
yes the gay man cannot complain about homophobic posts
and he's been sooooo vicious about it
People have the right to change. I believed Joy Reid's apology for those anti-gay blog posts she wrote (they were before the Dem Party officially changed its views on these questions). But her claim that these newly discovered, horribly bigoted posts are fake needs to be verified https://t.co/LYd1rnT07f— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 23, 2018
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
When he praises Tucker Carlson and speaks wistfully about Ron Paul, yeah we can say the selectively is suspect in his case
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
i'm gonna say the gay guy can complain about old homophobic blog posts regardless of how much of a dumbshit he's been in history
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
Well yeah I definitely agree it shouldn’t be illegal.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:28 (five years ago) link
it should just be criticized by straight men on the internet
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
Xpost Yeah without question he’d vote for Rand over Bernie Sanders
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:15 PM (three hours ago)
I always wonder when people say things like this whether they're dumb or just uninformed
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link
like I certainly don't read all the tweets and essays of the people I hate, and I don't expect other people to. but it seems that the least one could do if they're not going to bother doing any reading or critical thinking is just not to say anything
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link
greenwald is a progressive and a civil libertarian, but what's most important to understand is he's a contrarian, and for whatever reason he sees it as his duty to police the left. this can obviously become tiring pretty quickly but I think it's a legitimate beat. of course it's fair game to disagree with his conclusions
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
That's because there's not much of a click reward for being merely a skeptic--gotta go full blown contrarian to have a beat that pays.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link
k3vin otm
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
Greenwald styles himself a consistent advocate of free speech, but he celebrated the censorship and legal harassment of a leftist who wrote about "anti-establishment" fascist entryism. https://t.co/IqJGKxxvpY— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) April 24, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link
The Guardian and WaPo benefited professionally from his work w Snowden exposing the NSA, to the tune of both winning 2014 Pulitzer. somehow he's a bad contrarian and they aren't, even though they happily mined those "click rewards".
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
Charles Davis is a former Ron Paul fan and the article Greenwald was complaining about was both libellous and factually incorrect enough for the SPLC to apologise for slack editorial standards fwiw - containing allegations that the SPLC themselves had previously debunked.
The idea that you can’t be pro-free speech and against factually incorrect stuff being published by respected organisations is beneath Davis.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 05:42 (five years ago) link
Yeah Davis wrote positively about Paul’s opppsition to the drone program in 2011, which is better than speaking wistfully about him in 2018. Wait, the thing The Southern Povertly Law Center was forced to retract was about Max Blumenthal’s Assadist tendencies, something he used his considerable inherited resources to intimidate that organization into not running. Do we actually disagree with that characterization of Blumenthal?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 08:32 (five years ago) link
Whether we agree with the characterisation or not, an organisation with the weight of the SPLC probably shouldn’t be publishing factually-inaccurate pieces contradicted by their own research work.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 09:16 (five years ago) link
I like Davis well enough but he’s far more guilty of ‘policing the left’ than Greenwald and is clearly driven as much by professional bitterness as principle.
Defending hack-work from a Geography teacher with an axe to grind on the “red brown alliance” fits with his absolute loathing of Norton, Blumenthal, etc but it’s not clear why anyone else would want to join in. There are plenty of critiques of that clique not relying on speculation and misleading info.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 09:31 (five years ago) link
It wasn’t a fact based retraction per the SPLC though but seemingly threat based. Blumenthal hasn’t been clear about what facts were in dispute. The lawyer who sent the intimidation letters worked under one of the subjects of the piece (alt-right personality Cassandra Fairbanks) at “Sputnik”, which pushes the false flag narratives the piece was critical of.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 09:32 (five years ago) link
Blumenthal has been fairly clear about the parts he was challenging, including the elements that the SPLC had previously identified as false in other reports.
I’m in no great hurry to defend him but this was a substandard piece of work.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 09:44 (five years ago) link
He wasn’t even remotely specific about any single thing in the interview he gave RT about it. Just the broad generalities (“they are trying to stifle dissent”’). Weird....
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 10:18 (five years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 11:08 (five years ago) link
I have to say I do love that GG is now such an obvious schmuck / useful idiot that we use this thread as a place to talk about the editorial standards of places he doesn’t work, instead
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 11:14 (five years ago) link
"useful idiot" -- McCarthyism is def dead
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:10 (five years ago) link
I don't find him to be a useful idiot at all. Just strident a little too often.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:17 (five years ago) link
Yeah, let's not get back to the bad days where Joseph McCarthy called people a 'useful idiot' a lot. Boy, that was horrible.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:42 (five years ago) link
Also, apart from it being amazingly stupid to reduce McCarthyism to calling people 'useful idiots', Greenwald literally published information given to him by a Russian Intelligence Agent with the thinnest of fig leafs. It's not even hyperbolic to call him a 'useful idiot', it's quite descriptive.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:58 (five years ago) link
Useful idiot is a technical term
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:00 (five years ago) link
Fred, you're the other kind
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
Frederik 'Useful Genius' B
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:17 (five years ago) link
like Tony "Tiny" Lester
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
.@ggreenwald is on white nationalist @TuckerCarlson's Fox News show hyping the latest GOP-fueled conspiracy theory. #FearlessAndAdversarial pic.twitter.com/aMooy9AY89— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 14, 2018
You’d think the self-proclaimed adversarial journalist, who holds the powerful accountable, might want to expose literal internment camps instead of hob-nob on de facto state media shows.— Ben Yelin (@byelin) June 14, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link
Really just the classic trajectory
― valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
I’m starting to think that “holding the people in power accountable” isn’t actually what he’s about.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:23 (five years ago) link
Are there still people on the left who give this asshole credence, and if so, why?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:27 (five years ago) link
Pretty much all residual benefit of the doubt from the Snowden days.
― Simon H., Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:28 (five years ago) link
He is sometimes good on specific points/subjects but overall seems too high on his own farts to see what he's actually doing. Never a big fan but soured on him a lot when he gave Tucker Carlson a very forgiving interview on the Intercepted podcast, allowing Carlson to put out all his soft-sounding justifications for his bigoted anti-immigrant and anti-minority rhetoric without a serious challenge.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:31 (five years ago) link
and his earlier writings, obviously. in some ways the times have passed him by though, it' sad xp
― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:31 (five years ago) link
man alive, I disagree. He knows exactly what he's doing. I don't believe for a second that he's simply confused or misguided. I think he's actively working for the other side.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:35 (five years ago) link
he's obviously not
― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:36 (five years ago) link
What makes you say that? I don't think it is obvious at all. He's playing a useful role for Fox and the GOP, and enjoying all the attention he's getting from it.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:38 (five years ago) link
He knows exactly what he's doing
let us dispense with the notion . . .
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:38 (five years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:38 PM (forty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
um, the fact that the rest of his work/writing suggests otherwise?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:42 (five years ago) link
I wouldn't say that he's always played this role, or always wanted to, but I think he's found that his targets and Fox's targets have aligned ever closer to the point where his most receptive and widest audience can be reached through Fox. He's banged away on the same themes for years, but in the age of Trump, it's less palatable to leftists and very useful to the right.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:51 (five years ago) link
It was funny to see these two tweets in succession today. Kind of like how he accused the guy who linked Russia to the NRA of being an insane conspiracy theorist and never apologized for being wrong when it became even more confirmed to be true. Par for the course with his approach to the Russia investigation.
Beyond the fact that she treats her audience like 8-year-olds - repeating the same banal points 5 times in increasingly dramatic fashion to make sure they retain it & believe it's earth-shattering - she's now the most militaristic, and the most conspiratorial, commentator on TV: https://t.co/5YrVLxVJki— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 13, 2018
President Trump Said He Got the Idea to End Military Exercises With South Korea from Vladimir Putin >>> https://t.co/Ij89UirPkZ via @TPM— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 13, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 04:25 (five years ago) link