POLL Neon Like -- ILM artist poll #88 -- BJÖRK (voting open until April 27, 2018)

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For all that “Black Lake” is reputed to be the dense, impenetrable, harrowing heart of Vulnicura, I find it easily the most approachable track on that album.

Tim F, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:24 (five years ago) link

I'm very much a casual Bjork fan, I've only really experienced her through her dancefloor oriented songs and remixes in the 90s/00s and the singles. But I've been playing all the album tracks on shuffle for the past few days and it's been a very, very entertaining journey.

Siegbran, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:26 (five years ago) link

“family” is way more qualified to be the dense, impenetrable, harrowing heart (and even then said heart is full of empty space so the bass can shudder through it)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 23 April 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link

Listening to Life’s Too Good for the first time in ages, and it’s easy to see how/why “Birthday” hit the UK indie community like a bomb. It really feels simultaneously sui generis and like it presages several years of dream-pop, The Sundays and baggy simultaneously.

The Jesus and Mary Chain remixes really underscore that point (at least vis a vis dream-pop) actually.

Funny how the rest of that album, which is very enjoyable, never quite feels like it rearticulates and reconfigures its stylistic coordinates (The Fall, The Cure, the first Happy Mondays album, the Hoodoo Gurus?) so radically.

Tim F, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link

Agreed re “Family”.

Tim F, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link

black lake is long and it's repetitive, but that melody is so primal. it feels like an ancient prayer or lamentation along the lines of kol nidrei

808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Monday, 23 April 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link

Notget very narrowly missed my ballot. Great song

octobeard, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link

For whatever reason Vulnicura only gets bogged down for me at "Atom Dance". Before that I point, I seem be drawn forward in anticipation of the next moment I know will move me to the verge of tears. ("Stonemilker" and "Black Lake" are particularly reliable on this front.)

I really didn't grasp that this album was quite so good before this poll. It's probably something like #3 for me now. Though alternating with the strings-only/live versions, as recommended above, is an excellent idea.

Maximum big surprise! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Monday, 23 April 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link

I vastly prefer Vulnicura to utopia. Way more emotionally and texturally accessible

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Monday, 23 April 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link

agreed. i briefly considered posting utopia in lj's "stuff that sounds like l'rain" thread (though i didn't bc i don't have an accurate memory of what l'rain sounds like)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 23 April 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link

it's been really hard for me to pick 30 tracks

Dan S, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 00:48 (five years ago) link

I *wish* 'Utopia' sounded like L'Rain, or Spellling, or Serpentwithfeet, or FKA Twigs, or even solo Arca...

Soundslike, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 04:01 (five years ago) link

It’s somewhat frustrating to me how little the beats coalesce on utopia. It’s like insect scattershot beats with no direction.
I think my biggest problem with the record is how Bjork rarely makes it easy for the listener. Sure she has avant- grade inclinations but I never listened to Bjork for a pure experimental experience personally. It was always the push and pull of pop and the esoteric

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 04:24 (five years ago) link

yeah agreed completely Ross.

Family is one track on Vulnicura that only really opened up to me recently, really fantastic and I wish I'd made room on my ballot for it now

ufo, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 04:44 (five years ago) link

just in case anyone else missed it, i'm glad i saw this before submitting my music videos ballot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM80F_J-QHE

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 12:02 (five years ago) link

hey eric h, can we do mixed ballots for tracks? i feel pretty confident in my ability to pick 10 favorites but not in my ability to rank all 30 tracks

808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link

That's fine. Just indicate which part is ranked and which isn't.

Uppercase (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:54 (five years ago) link

thanks

808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link

it's just from the wikipedia entry on vespertine, but i thought this was really interesting:

Björk decided to use instruments whose sound would not be compromised when downloaded from sites such as Napster.[16] She explained:

I use micro-beats, a lot of whispery vocals, which I think sound amazing when they're downloaded because of the secrecy of the medium. The only acoustic instruments I would use would be those that sound good after they've been downloaded, so the harp, the music box, celeste and clavichord. They're plucky sounds. [...] And the strings [...] ended up being more panoramic textures in the background. It's all about being in a little house, on your own. [...] The strings would be like white mountains outside.[16]

i always love to read how artists work within constraints, especially those that are partly self-imposed. she knew that anything she released would be listened to millions of adoring obsessive fans on headphones, an experience she clearly connects with (like on the song ... "headphones"). but she gravitated toward sounds that would also still sound good after being compressed down to a mp3! and not just any mp3, but a typical turn of the millienium mp3, so probably like 96 or 128 kbps. i love it

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link

ok, finally voted! that was a ridiculous ballot. really, most of the top 20 is pretty interchangeable for me. sometimes i'm having a post kind of day, sometimes it's a vespertine kind of day (those are nice). i can't believe a song like "big time sensuality" didn't even make it, but that's how solid her catalog is. <3

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link

Shameful confession: Vespertine still does nothing for me.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link

*gasp* i'm probably gonna vote Vespertine as my #1 album.

808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link

possibly because i've mostly been listening on earbuds (good insight, karl)

808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link

eric was right, i should've voted for "it's not up to you"

how do i master
the perfect day

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link

There's still time imo.

Uppercase (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link

the triumph of a heart
the triumph of the heart
a triumph of the heart
a triumph of a heart

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link

Also, I can't say there's a Bjork album that does nothing for me. A couple of them antagonize me, but I'm certainly not neutral on a single one of them.

Uppercase (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link

hope it's not too late to rep for these three remixes, all (as far as I know) only on whitelabels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88HqorPJDWI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoP6Ro_41tI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psr9vd9lGiQ

Siegbran, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link

I have now tallied 14 ballots. Still a lot of people I know who are Bjork fanatics who haven't weighed in yet!

Uppercase (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link

Oh, and here's where I ask if there's someone out there who feels like designing a tile template for the reveal thread?

Uppercase (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link

“Pagan Poetry” isn’t just one of Bjork’s very best songs, it’s also the last time (with the possible exception of the chorus to “Mutual Core”) where I think “no one else could do with this melody what Bjork does”. There are strong melodies later (though fewer than before of course) and there are some amazing vocal runs, but the two don’t tend to be so mutually reinforcing thereafter.

Like, the way she leans into the first word of the chorus so aggressively, like she’s pushing though something painful to get to something beautiful - who else could pull it off? Who would dare try to cover it?

c.f. the “pop” songs on Medulla, where typically Bjork feels like she’s actually backgrounding her lead vocal more than usual even if she’s delivering a memorable chorus line - if not in terms of volume or prominence, then in terms of style and flair - as if dominating the track like she would have previously kind of defeats the purpose of the whole exercise.

Conversely the big vocal moments later on rarely combine with indelible melodies.

Tim F, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 06:00 (five years ago) link

Well these Greek guys tried to cover it:

https://youtu.be/DSfXZ5rkCNQ

Siegbran, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 06:28 (five years ago) link

Just tallied the most idiosyncratic ballot so far. Up to 15.

Uppercase (Eric H.), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link

Hopefully it’ll make up for my bound-to-be-boring one.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link

great post, tim f

when you talk about her "vocal runs" and "big vocal moments" as something distinct from the melodies, do you mean just in terms of loudness and prominence in the song, or technical virtuosity, or something else?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link

"Like, the way she leans into the first word of the chorus [of Pagan Poetry] so aggressively, like she’s pushing though something painful to get to something beautiful"

so otm. this ballot was painful to put together. i put pagan poetry below two other vespertine songs! (but how are you going to put any above "Undo"... so agonizing)

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link

Undo is the best, it's true

sleeve, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link

Pagan Poetry and Undo are my two favorites from Vespertine also. For me it feels like the album comes to a peak with those two.

some days I think Pagan Poetry is the best thing she has ever done

Dan S, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link

Pagan Poetry and Undo are my two favorites from Vespertine also

i think i agree with this too, but i had a ~moment~ with Unison as i was wrapping up my ballot and ended up putting it above Pagan Poetry as well.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link

Cocoon my fave by far. Sun In My Mouth is fantastic, too, feels underrated (if that is at all possible for anything on Vespertine)

I still need to sift through the b-sides before I vote. Any pointers? A yt playlist, or a collection of sorts?

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link

stevie d had some good resources:

fyi this is a great source for her remixes, grouped by era

http://www.youtube.com/user/BjorkDisography/playlists

― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:45 AM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

b-sides too, it's p comprehensive

― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:47 AM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh I also made this which afaict is a comprehensive list of all b-sides thru Vespertine

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlHmB5haapzRYVDJ30_ONRAd1_mrKbUCs

anyone who sleeps on her b-sides is canceled

― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)),

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link

and camaraderie at arms length also had a nice selection, i thought:

Atlantic (from Human Behaviour single)
Glora (from Big Time Sensuality single)
Sweet Intuition (from Army of Me single)
Karvel (from I Miss You single)
I Go Humble (from Isobel single)
Oxygen (Evelyn Glennie featuring Björk)
Sod Off (from Joga single)
Foot Soldier (from Hidden Place single)
Domestica (from Pagan Poetry single)
Batabid (from Pagan Poetry single)
It's In Our Hands (from Greatest Hits)
Trance (from To Lee, With Love, Nick ost)
Náttúra (single, 2008)
Flétta (Antony and the Johnsons featuring Björk)

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link

Ohh blessig u KM <3

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link

no prob! just bumping some posts upthread, they did all the work :)

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link

always include “verandi” in a björk b-side selection imo

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link

*takes note*

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link

"karvel" and "i go humble" are both perfect

homogenic b-sides were sensibly b-sides

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link

(even though they are enjoyable)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link

There are some real hidden gems among those three Sugarcubes albums. Right now, I'm Hungry is my new jam.

Marty8501 (Marty Innerlogic), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link


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