The Jordan Peterson Thread

Fred, book reccos for the self-help stuff. I'm hoping for just a precis on the postmodern boogieman.

the best 'postmodernism' is so amazing and ethical, i just don't get the kneejerk response.

any critique of power is so suggestive about all sorts of new possibilities, why are people so fucking scared of that? people suck

how's life if you want conservative up-its-own-ass self-help without so many explicit problems and a bit more openness from a poet's perspective check out 'iron john'.

really though everyone needs to read bell hooks

I've just always taken the 'postmodern marxism' thing to be like this: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/78mnny/unwrapping-the-conspiracy-theory-that-drives-the-alt-right Though less tainted by literal nazis.

For real postmodernism, I'd say read Lyotard. Short and good. The Postmodern Condition is the classic, that defines the problem as the lack of grand narratives. The Differend is even better, dealing with truth and politics, and Just Gaming is an attempt at defining a new ethics without narratives, based on gaming. 'Just Gaming' Get it?

i'd go with deleuze & guattari, derrida and foucault. there's more juice in a single paragraph written by any of them than anything this peterson shithead could possibly conceive of. i've only read a little but roland barthes is fun. alain badiou for something more contemporary. why are all these jordan peterson types scared so shitless of feminism? at it's best it's some of the most rigorous, bracing truth anyone can read!

i think science and technology studies has a lot of force to push back against the "science is god" people like maher. i.e. bruno latour, "we have never been modern," which is a pretty great title imo

We Have Never Been Modern is a 1991 book by Bruno Latour, originally published in French as Nous n'avons jamais été modernes : Essai d'anthropologie symétrique (English translation: 1993).[1]

The book is an "anthropology of science" that explores the dualistic distinction modernity makes between nature and society. Pre-modern peoples, argues Latour, made no such division. Contemporary matters of public concern such as global warming, the HIV/AIDS pandemic and emerging biotechnologies mix politics, science, popular and specialist discourse to such a degree that a tidy nature/culture dualism is no longer possible. This inconsistency has given rise to post-modern and anti-modern movements. Latour attempts to reconnect the social and natural worlds by arguing that the modernist distinction between nature and culture never existed. He claims we must rework our thinking to conceive of a "Parliament of Things" wherein natural phenomena, social phenomena and the discourse about them are not seen as separate objects to be studied by specialists, but as hybrids made and scrutinized by the public interaction of people, things and concepts.[2][3]

also: david harvey (geography background), who is very readable on space and capital

Walker Percy’s Lost in the Cosmos is a fun one.

STS should be taught in high school

i uh waht

https://i.imgur.com/qCDdu4E.jpg

https://www.etsy.com/search?q=jordan%20peterson

i thought i'd found the worst manifestation of peterson fandom but you effortlessly beat it, kudos

Everyone hustling trying to make those JP bucks.

i don't know he seems more milo than dawkins. the alt-right stole a lot from the left, but the thing i'm most gratified about is their tendency to eat their own.

there is a very weird and very present vaporwave/alt-right crossover

there's also a strange convergence between the "incel" running down people in toronto and this thread

Shocking, utterly.

i mentioned the ATD mixtapes on the vaporwave thread a few weeks ago.
guess he is trying to pick up some traction give that he ditched the whole uk hip hop thing a few years ago when it was an obvious dead end for him.
other than the fact JP is really not my thing, the main problem is that JPs voice just aint right for vocal cut-up/mixtape action.

Man does this dude dish out well worn platitudes. He gets paid millions to coach on self help banalities like “control what you can control” - well duh. Only thing he says I think is helpful is how people need to find their own passion to feel connected, otherwise you may just feel empty working 9-5. But that’s obvious too

LOBSTERVATION COFFEE MUG

so did jordan peterson actually make that movie "the lobster"? i can't figure out what's going on anymore

this dude's so obsessed with helping the fringe lunatics see the light that it begs the question - who hurt U?

clearly his wallets not hurting with 36 thousand in donations a month

when i think lobsters i think Deleuze and Guattari so this whole thing would be tremendously confusing if i ever read anything about JorPee

my wife posted an old picture of me wearing a stupid novelty lobster hat on facebook yesterday and all i could think was 'shit i hope no-one thinks i'm a jordan peterson stan'

he has ruined lobsters for at least a generation imo

nah he's still a pond shrimp

God is a lobster or a double-claw, a double bind. It is not only the strata which pair up into twos at the very least, but in another fashion each strata is double (it will itself have many levels). Each strata presents, in effect, phenomena constitutive of a double articulation.

interesting piece by Wesley Yang: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a19834137/jordan-peterson-interview/

Yang's level of credulity toward JP is a bit troubling but I think he sort of successfully shows why someone who didn't know how to begin calling JP on his bullshit might find his message compelling

Perry Anderson to thread re: "postmodern Marxism"

'A bit troubling'? Lol

yang: "Increasingly one hears that the problem menacing the world today is not the excesses of masculinity, but masculinity itself. That masculinity itself must—and can—be eradicated."

who says this

all the bad people on ilx who must be trolled

got ya postmodern irony RIGHT HERE

Christ almighty at that interview, lol:

I noted that while we still read the canonical thinkers who presumed to address the big questions, nobody attempted to write in such a mode anymore. “People told me that the time for the great theories in psychology is over,” he said. “I said, ‘It might be over for you, but it’s not over for me.’ ”

Peterson made plain that he was speaking out against the enforced adoption of an unscientific political terminology, and not to denigrate the transgendered. Yet it was easy to call it an act of hate and harassment directed at a vulnerable minority, and many did.

Yes, seeing as there was no 'enforced adoption', it was quite easy to call it something else.

the police literally forced him to recognize somebody else's preferred mode of address rather than the absolutely correct scientific terminology handed down at the creation of time

language isn't science except when it is science when all of a sudden it's an absolutely transparent reference to unshakeable prelinguistic taxonomy

it's not just that he's wicked, or that he's a wicked moron, it's that he's a wicked moron i've already spent 5 minutes thinking about this morning because i couldn't be arsed to do something else

Bingo #2

all the bad people on ilx who must be trolled

― hepatitis groan (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 07:42 (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes

what if there was a peaceful noncontroptimist need to dismantle masculinity just because it's boring and loud or something but with peace and love peace and love

ive been at it years tbrrwu

i'd call it more "exasperated eyerolling" than actual trolling

it's not hard to get absurd people to say absurd things

nb: i am an absurd person

anyway, despite my being given to hyperbolic and extremist overstatement, i don't think even i would go so far as saying that masculinity should be eradicated, or that it has no virtues. i'm not a big fan of real or simulated violence, which seems to comprise a large chunk of "masculinity", but there are absolutely positive benefits to masculinity. grilling, for instance. grilling is cool.

removing stubborn jar lids

killing insects

reaching things on high shelves

an interesting one that one because it's actually biologically rooted, as opposed to most stuff classified as "masculine" which is just gender-as-social-construct shit

i don't get people who can't tell the difference. have these motherfuckers never seen a yogurt commercial?

can't wait til people stop using the world wide web because it was created by it dweebs

they got porn onto it

the most heroic dweebs what ever dweebed

but there are absolutely positive benefits to masculinity. grilling, for instance. grilling is cool.

Grilling is cool. And also dicks. Dicks are pretty cool, too. The big downside of lobsters is their lack of dicks.