I have a bunch of the B-sides but they don't have titles and it's driving me crazy, I may even post soundcloud samples to ID or something
― sleeve, Monday, 23 April 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
lol wtf is the version of "alarm call" they used for the music video
― Tim F, Monday, 23 April 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
I ... kind of prefer it to the album version? *doesn't duck*
― Uppercase (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
oh hey eric i sent my ballot then i sent a small edit to my ballot a few hours later i think, hope that's ok!
― challops trap house (Will M.), Monday, 23 April 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
No problem! Also, I haven't responded to everyone's emails yet, but I am up to date on entering them into my spreadsheet.
― Uppercase (Eric H.), Monday, 23 April 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link
black lake really has a beautiful melody doesn't it
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Monday, 23 April 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
For all that “Black Lake” is reputed to be the dense, impenetrable, harrowing heart of Vulnicura, I find it easily the most approachable track on that album.
― Tim F, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:24 (five years ago) link
I'm very much a casual Bjork fan, I've only really experienced her through her dancefloor oriented songs and remixes in the 90s/00s and the singles. But I've been playing all the album tracks on shuffle for the past few days and it's been a very, very entertaining journey.
― Siegbran, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:26 (five years ago) link
“family” is way more qualified to be the dense, impenetrable, harrowing heart (and even then said heart is full of empty space so the bass can shudder through it)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 23 April 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
Listening to Life’s Too Good for the first time in ages, and it’s easy to see how/why “Birthday” hit the UK indie community like a bomb. It really feels simultaneously sui generis and like it presages several years of dream-pop, The Sundays and baggy simultaneously.
The Jesus and Mary Chain remixes really underscore that point (at least vis a vis dream-pop) actually.
Funny how the rest of that album, which is very enjoyable, never quite feels like it rearticulates and reconfigures its stylistic coordinates (The Fall, The Cure, the first Happy Mondays album, the Hoodoo Gurus?) so radically.
― Tim F, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link
Agreed re “Family”.
black lake is long and it's repetitive, but that melody is so primal. it feels like an ancient prayer or lamentation along the lines of kol nidrei
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Monday, 23 April 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link
Notget very narrowly missed my ballot. Great song
― octobeard, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link
For whatever reason Vulnicura only gets bogged down for me at "Atom Dance". Before that I point, I seem be drawn forward in anticipation of the next moment I know will move me to the verge of tears. ("Stonemilker" and "Black Lake" are particularly reliable on this front.)
I really didn't grasp that this album was quite so good before this poll. It's probably something like #3 for me now. Though alternating with the strings-only/live versions, as recommended above, is an excellent idea.
― Maximum big surprise! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Monday, 23 April 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link
I vastly prefer Vulnicura to utopia. Way more emotionally and texturally accessible
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Monday, 23 April 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link
agreed. i briefly considered posting utopia in lj's "stuff that sounds like l'rain" thread (though i didn't bc i don't have an accurate memory of what l'rain sounds like)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 23 April 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link
it's been really hard for me to pick 30 tracks
― Dan S, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 00:48 (five years ago) link
I *wish* 'Utopia' sounded like L'Rain, or Spellling, or Serpentwithfeet, or FKA Twigs, or even solo Arca...
― Soundslike, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 04:01 (five years ago) link
It’s somewhat frustrating to me how little the beats coalesce on utopia. It’s like insect scattershot beats with no direction. I think my biggest problem with the record is how Bjork rarely makes it easy for the listener. Sure she has avant- grade inclinations but I never listened to Bjork for a pure experimental experience personally. It was always the push and pull of pop and the esoteric
― after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 04:24 (five years ago) link
yeah agreed completely Ross.
Family is one track on Vulnicura that only really opened up to me recently, really fantastic and I wish I'd made room on my ballot for it now
― ufo, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 04:44 (five years ago) link
just in case anyone else missed it, i'm glad i saw this before submitting my music videos ballot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM80F_J-QHE
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 12:02 (five years ago) link
hey eric h, can we do mixed ballots for tracks? i feel pretty confident in my ability to pick 10 favorites but not in my ability to rank all 30 tracks
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
That's fine. Just indicate which part is ranked and which isn't.
― Uppercase (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:54 (five years ago) link
thanks
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
it's just from the wikipedia entry on vespertine, but i thought this was really interesting:
Björk decided to use instruments whose sound would not be compromised when downloaded from sites such as Napster.[16] She explained:I use micro-beats, a lot of whispery vocals, which I think sound amazing when they're downloaded because of the secrecy of the medium. The only acoustic instruments I would use would be those that sound good after they've been downloaded, so the harp, the music box, celeste and clavichord. They're plucky sounds. [...] And the strings [...] ended up being more panoramic textures in the background. It's all about being in a little house, on your own. [...] The strings would be like white mountains outside.[16]
I use micro-beats, a lot of whispery vocals, which I think sound amazing when they're downloaded because of the secrecy of the medium. The only acoustic instruments I would use would be those that sound good after they've been downloaded, so the harp, the music box, celeste and clavichord. They're plucky sounds. [...] And the strings [...] ended up being more panoramic textures in the background. It's all about being in a little house, on your own. [...] The strings would be like white mountains outside.[16]
i always love to read how artists work within constraints, especially those that are partly self-imposed. she knew that anything she released would be listened to millions of adoring obsessive fans on headphones, an experience she clearly connects with (like on the song ... "headphones"). but she gravitated toward sounds that would also still sound good after being compressed down to a mp3! and not just any mp3, but a typical turn of the millienium mp3, so probably like 96 or 128 kbps. i love it
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link
ok, finally voted! that was a ridiculous ballot. really, most of the top 20 is pretty interchangeable for me. sometimes i'm having a post kind of day, sometimes it's a vespertine kind of day (those are nice). i can't believe a song like "big time sensuality" didn't even make it, but that's how solid her catalog is. <3
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
Shameful confession: Vespertine still does nothing for me.
― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
*gasp* i'm probably gonna vote Vespertine as my #1 album.
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
possibly because i've mostly been listening on earbuds (good insight, karl)
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
eric was right, i should've voted for "it's not up to you"
how do i masterthe perfect day
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
There's still time imo.
― Uppercase (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
the triumph of a heartthe triumph of the hearta triumph of the hearta triumph of a heart
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
Also, I can't say there's a Bjork album that does nothing for me. A couple of them antagonize me, but I'm certainly not neutral on a single one of them.
hope it's not too late to rep for these three remixes, all (as far as I know) only on whitelabels:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88HqorPJDWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoP6Ro_41tI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psr9vd9lGiQ
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
I have now tallied 14 ballots. Still a lot of people I know who are Bjork fanatics who haven't weighed in yet!
― Uppercase (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link
Oh, and here's where I ask if there's someone out there who feels like designing a tile template for the reveal thread?
― Uppercase (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
“Pagan Poetry” isn’t just one of Bjork’s very best songs, it’s also the last time (with the possible exception of the chorus to “Mutual Core”) where I think “no one else could do with this melody what Bjork does”. There are strong melodies later (though fewer than before of course) and there are some amazing vocal runs, but the two don’t tend to be so mutually reinforcing thereafter.
Like, the way she leans into the first word of the chorus so aggressively, like she’s pushing though something painful to get to something beautiful - who else could pull it off? Who would dare try to cover it?
c.f. the “pop” songs on Medulla, where typically Bjork feels like she’s actually backgrounding her lead vocal more than usual even if she’s delivering a memorable chorus line - if not in terms of volume or prominence, then in terms of style and flair - as if dominating the track like she would have previously kind of defeats the purpose of the whole exercise.
Conversely the big vocal moments later on rarely combine with indelible melodies.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 06:00 (five years ago) link
Well these Greek guys tried to cover it:
https://youtu.be/DSfXZ5rkCNQ
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 06:28 (five years ago) link
Just tallied the most idiosyncratic ballot so far. Up to 15.
― Uppercase (Eric H.), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
Hopefully it’ll make up for my bound-to-be-boring one.
― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
great post, tim f
when you talk about her "vocal runs" and "big vocal moments" as something distinct from the melodies, do you mean just in terms of loudness and prominence in the song, or technical virtuosity, or something else?
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
"Like, the way she leans into the first word of the chorus [of Pagan Poetry] so aggressively, like she’s pushing though something painful to get to something beautiful"
so otm. this ballot was painful to put together. i put pagan poetry below two other vespertine songs! (but how are you going to put any above "Undo"... so agonizing)
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
Undo is the best, it's true
― sleeve, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
Pagan Poetry and Undo are my two favorites from Vespertine also. For me it feels like the album comes to a peak with those two.
some days I think Pagan Poetry is the best thing she has ever done
― Dan S, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
Pagan Poetry and Undo are my two favorites from Vespertine also
i think i agree with this too, but i had a ~moment~ with Unison as i was wrapping up my ballot and ended up putting it above Pagan Poetry as well.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link
Cocoon my fave by far. Sun In My Mouth is fantastic, too, feels underrated (if that is at all possible for anything on Vespertine)
I still need to sift through the b-sides before I vote. Any pointers? A yt playlist, or a collection of sorts?
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
stevie d had some good resources:
fyi this is a great source for her remixes, grouped by era
http://www.youtube.com/user/BjorkDisography/playlists
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:45 AM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
b-sides too, it's p comprehensive
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:47 AM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh I also made this which afaict is a comprehensive list of all b-sides thru Vespertine
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlHmB5haapzRYVDJ30_ONRAd1_mrKbUCs
anyone who sleeps on her b-sides is canceled
― the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)),
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
and camaraderie at arms length also had a nice selection, i thought:
Atlantic (from Human Behaviour single)Glora (from Big Time Sensuality single)Sweet Intuition (from Army of Me single)Karvel (from I Miss You single)I Go Humble (from Isobel single)Oxygen (Evelyn Glennie featuring Björk)Sod Off (from Joga single)Foot Soldier (from Hidden Place single)Domestica (from Pagan Poetry single)Batabid (from Pagan Poetry single)It's In Our Hands (from Greatest Hits)Trance (from To Lee, With Love, Nick ost)Náttúra (single, 2008)Flétta (Antony and the Johnsons featuring Björk)
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
Ohh blessig u KM <3
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
no prob! just bumping some posts upthread, they did all the work :)
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link