the alt-right

sometimes it seems like hating/mocking leftism and adopting the opposite of all leftist stances is their whole fuel, or how they persecute leftists for not being 100% saintly virtuous people. which, in a weird way, means they have internalized our framework in a warped way

This is not confined to either the alt-right or even the right tbh.

I think it’s fairly standard where hypocrisy is one of the few things that both sides agree is bad.

rightism is not intuitive and leftism is not counter-intuitive. both are learned responses

i feel the big thing is that right-wing ideology is intrinsically hateful and, especially, vengeful, and these aspects of that ideology do resonate with me. most forms of leftism tend to point out that vengeance isn't really workable. that's true, but lord i surely do want to see my enemies suffer.

Right-wingers like to characterise left-wing ideologies as being hateful and vengeful as well though. Hating people who are better off because of their obvious superiority and wanting revenge by stripping those people of their hard-earned assets. Or even just "liberals hate our country".

sure but i'm not talking about how these ideologies describe themselves, i'm talking about how they operate in practice. they can talk about how "hitler was a liberal" all day long but they'll still be wrong.

Seems hard to deny that 20th century Communists could be p vengeful.

What's at the root of most conservative right-wing thinking (if you want to take it in good faith) is the idea that suffering, inequality, etc. are inevitable and that attempts to eliminate these will inevitably backfire and suffering, inequality, etc. will be heightened as a result. That isn't in and of itself hateful or vengeful, but the certainty that leftists will lead to a worse world is what makes right-wingers feel it's ok to hate us - the reverse also usually true, leading to what sund4r mentions.

alt-right a different kettle of fish because they're not really conservative in the "intuitive" way epigone describes - they want radical change as much as any part of the left does, except they harken back to a fictional Paradise Lost of well defined gender roles, racial hierarchies, etc.

https://www.splcenter.org/20180419/mcinnes-molyneux-and-4chan-investigating-pathways-alt-right

Respondents recount a transformation that takes place almost entirely online. Led either by their own curiosity or an algorithm, the content they consumed became increasingly extreme, fostering their radicalization and guiding them eventually to TRS. Their responses reveal a pipeline between the alt-lite and racist “alt-right,” with many users explaining that alt-lite figures like Gavin McInnes were the first to introduce them to hardcore, veteran white nationalists.

The two threads, titled “WHAT BROUGHT YOU INTO THE MOVEMENT?” and “Path here beginning from Gavin,” asked posters to reflect on their own “red pill” narratives and provide tips for converting others. “Here’s the challenge,” a user identified as The Somalisher wrote. “Create a list of succession from the Alt-Light to us. I have friends who like Gavin…But I can’t exactly throw Andrew Anglin at them.”

Seems hard to deny that 20th century Communists could be p vengeful.

― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r)

i don't know a lot of robespierres or stalins. even antifa, the unhinged radical left, don't ever seem to go beyond misdemeanor property damage, and most of "the left" is tripping all over themselves to denounce them whenever they do. maybe i lack imagination, but i feel like we're a far longer way from Red Terror than we are from armed right-wing insurrection.

Yeah, totally. I was thinking of "most forms of leftisms" in a broader historical sense.

lmao @ Milo's pathetic Facebook whining

"It’s now impossible for me to safely go out for lunch in most major cities in America" pic.twitter.com/FG6V0wprHp

— Eoin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) April 22, 2018

does someone need a...safe space ???

"my black husband"

some of his best husbands are black

lmaooo

A Facebook employee confirmed to me on background that the Alek Minassian Facebook post referencing 4chan and "The Incel Rebellion" is real: pic.twitter.com/gdydMBOE0l

— Jane Lytvynenko 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ (@JaneLytv) April 24, 2018

that case is being discussed a bit on the terrorist attacks thread. I'm fucking livid that vile incel garbage knows no borders.

lol did you think canada was immune, cmon man

most of canada is just like outstate minnesota

Montreal Polytechnique today seems like a major precursor to all of this.

obv not gbx I'm just angry

ahahaha pwned

Proud Boy gets beat by sign. May Day in Seattle. #jimmykimmel #jimmykimmellive #jimmyfallon #thetonightshow #colbert #thelateshow #fullfrontal #trevornoah #thedailyshow #sethmeyers #latenight #theopposition https://t.co/7sPvHOmXfO

— Nate Gowdy (@nategowdy) May 2, 2018

is that........real

it's as real as anything is real is at this point

having seen more than enough IRL chuds in action for one lifetime that certainly scanned as real to me

'action'

Lol at that video, real or not.

On a different note, I saw the French film 'Workshop' this morning, and it's a very earnest attempt at getting into the head of a boy on the road to turning alt-right. Worth seeing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/white-supremacist-is-guilty-in-charlottesville-parking-garage-beating-of-black-man/2018/05/01/033396b4-4af9-11e8-8b5a-3b1697adcc2a_story.html

For those who don't remember, here is a picture of that man's attorney, Elmer Woodard:

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25348447_2018968401722204_4610189001188206645_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=fe9286d564f9000ef5d4d0e2af76b6c8&oe=5B63DCDC

Or here:

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25289475_2018968378388873_5555674363352059649_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=66b4e75b0961973c83685c080e01bff3&oe=5B5B1AE5

He has been representing all these alt-right fools from Charlottesville.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/three-white-nationalists-found-guilty-of-failing-to-leave-rally/article_a81a72e2-b071-11e7-a3f1-db8bf4503c1b.html
http://www.c-ville.com/watching-backs-cantwells-request-change-venue-special-prosecutor-denied/#.WunI3KQvxhE

here's a little-seen image of elmer in court

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTmXBo9X4AEjNYs.jpg

xp thank you, did not know that detail

more charges

Ku Klux Klan leader found guilty for firing gun at Charlottesville rally

https://patch.com/maryland/bowie/umd-hate-crime-defendant-wants-offensive-images-barred-report?utm_campaign=blasts&utm_content=maryland&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social

White supremacist who murdered a black man at UMD last year does not want his Facebook ties to white supremacist groups to be admissible in court.

link?

oh shit sorry! scrolling too fast...

Did someone already post this https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/05/pretty-loud-for-being-so-silenced

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1737430889680788/

Their cover photo reminds me of Donald Fagen in this Achewood comic.

https://achewood.myshopify.com/products/comic-steely-dan-06-11-2004

For fun!

WATCH: Policy Advisor For Trump-Tied 'America First' Group Praises Nazis: They Should've Kept 'Going' https://t.co/v3IAkw5GxN (Exclusive by @calebecarma) pic.twitter.com/tPR6whOVXz

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) May 10, 2018

latino nazis smdh

Alex Jones and Milo "stormed" the Google Fiber office in Austin today. Before they got kicked out, the Google employee sent to deal with them said he recognized Jones but said he had no idea who Milo was. https://t.co/44kQOSlOS8 pic.twitter.com/rteC5l4Rth

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) May 14, 2018

Also: Milo has entered his bolo phase pic.twitter.com/UodRzNC4qT

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) May 14, 2018

latino nazis smdh

lmfao at the bolo tie!!

dont let milo ruin a bolo

he can't now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5c4vrXKtiI

Laurie was right, language is a virus

David Duke Ordered to Turn Over Charlottesville Messages