battle of the hoops unicorns

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System, Friday, 20 April 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link

battle of the hoops unicorns —2—

lag∞n, Friday, 20 April 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

jokic last huh

k3vin k., Saturday, 27 October 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link

I am shocked to think ilh may have failed to accurately predict the future

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 27 October 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link

the thing u have to be able to do is project into the future

― lag∞n, Monday, December 25, 2017 3:28 PM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Machine Gunk Jelly (Spottie), Saturday, 27 October 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link

told u but u dont listen

lag∞n, Monday, 29 October 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link

i definitely voted for jokic here even though there's no proof

ciderpress, Monday, 29 October 2018 03:30 (five years ago) link

unicornism is out of style now

lag∞n, Monday, 29 October 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

jokic

k3vin k., Monday, 14 January 2019 04:13 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

just gonna post "jokic" to this thread every couple of weeks now to let everyone know that I always believed in and continue to support big honey

k3vin k., Monday, 28 January 2019 19:37 (five years ago) link

jokic averaging 25.5/12.2/8.5 this month on a .606 TS%, frankly absurd stuff

k3vin k., Monday, 28 January 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link

http://bkref.com/tiny/oJa02

the 20-7-7 club :o

k3vin k., Monday, 28 January 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link

im glad he's figuring out how to be assertive and act like he knows he's the best player on the court on most nights.

marcos smart (Spottie), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link

eleven months pass...
one year passes...

just gonna post "jokic" to this thread every couple of weeks now to let everyone know that I always believed in and continue to support big honey

― k3vin k., Monday, January 28, 2019 2:37 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

k3vin k., Monday, 7 June 2021 02:58 (two years ago) link

credit where its due kevin said jokic and he was right

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 03:04 (two years ago) link

but on the other hand he only said it because jokic plays for his team

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 03:04 (two years ago) link

kevin started saying jokic then everyone started saying it now hes gonna be mvp and hes still a beefy boi, gotta love it

class project pat (m bison), Monday, 7 June 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link

technically i was the first person on this board to believe in jokic

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link

also i only said zinger itt for fun

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link

reread the first half of this thread and my my how much has changed in 3 and a half short interminable years

Clay, Monday, 7 June 2021 03:21 (two years ago) link

it’s fuckin embiid btw

― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Kev you voted embiid tho

Spottie, Monday, 7 June 2021 05:28 (two years ago) link

kinda crazy they are pretty close. embiid was the mvp favorite for a massive chunk of the season up until his injury.

Spottie, Monday, 7 June 2021 05:29 (two years ago) link

I think embiid was on a tear as soon as the poll was about to close or something lol

k3vin k., Monday, 7 June 2021 09:42 (two years ago) link

lmao the terrible truth comes out

lag∞n, Monday, 7 June 2021 11:11 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

h0lling3r:


Nikola Jokic is that dude

It’s all well and good that we have some other things to entertain us, like Steph Curry doing Steph things with a real team around him in Golden State and the DeMar DeRozan-led Bulls trucking teams in the East.

Just don’t lose sight of the big picture, folks: Jokic is still the most effective regular-season player in basketball. Voters seemingly reluctantly gave him the MVP last year and again appear to be scanning the universe for alternatives, and it may be harder to convince them after seeing Curry go amazeballs on Tuesday in the league’s most prominent TV game of the season.

People: I get the Stephmania and all because the Warriors have been unbelievable (and we’ll get to that soon here), but for the love of all that is holy, would you please stop dismissing Jokic? He’s basically a 7-foot point guard at this point, dragging an injury-riddled Denver team to competence.

Yet we’ve heard comparatively little Jokic banter thus far, despite the fact that through 13 games, his PER of 35.4 ranks … (checks notes) … first all-time.

All. Time.

By a wide margin, actually — the all-time best heading into this year was 31.86 by Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2019-20. It’s only 13 games, and maybe Jokic’s numbers will dip as the year goes on, but nothing about his start has seemed particularly fluky or weird.

Even relative to the other four players who have been notably awesome in the early part of the season, Jokic has been on a completely different level (see chart).

Advanced stats: Jokic vs. errrrbody
PER BPM TS% ON-OFF DIFF.
Nikola Jokic
35.4
14.5
66.5
25.8
Kevin Durant
29.6
8.4
68.2
11.9
Giannis Antetokounmpo
29.1
8.9
56.7
23.7
Jimmy Butler
29.0
9.8
62.5
-1.6
Steph Curry
26.9
8.5
62.0
19.9
We’re blessed with some awesome players right now, but in terms of production, it’s The Joker’s world. Yet, reading the tea leaves, it already seems very possible Jokic won’t repeat as MVP due to some combination of voter boredom and embarrassing oversight.

(Also, while we’re here: It is an unconscionable, embarrassing mistake that Jokic was left off the league’s top 75 players of all-time list, just to leave room for misty-eyed wistfulness about the fourth-best players on Lakers, Celtics and Knicks teams of yore. “Sure, this Jokic fella is good, but he’s no Dave DeBusschere.”)

The breadth of what The Joker is doing is overwhelming. Skill-wise, he’s the best passer in the league, but he’s also second in rebounding; oh, and he’s shooting 38.3 percent on 3s. And — get this — he’s sixth in scoring, while very nearly leading the league in 2-point shooting percentage at 66.3 percent.

Defensively, he’s less off-the-charts awesome, but his IQ and giant mitts still make him effective. (Fun fact: Jokic has more steals than Giannis, Trae Young or Kevin Durant. He’s in the league’s top 50 in both steal and block rate.) The Nuggets, quietly, are third in the NBA in defensive efficiency despite missing multiple key players, which sort of neutralizes the “WuT AbOUt hIs D?” angle.

In addition to having the best individual stats in the league, Jokic’s impact stats are borderline hilarious. The Nuggets are plus-14.2 points per 100 possessions when he plays, minus-11.6 when he sits, nearly a 26-point swing depending on whether he’s in the game.

The eye test backs up the numbers. He’s steadily improved his doughy physique and now moves better than ever, gliding past opponents in transition and making guard-like moves closer to the rim. As a roller, it’s been interesting to see him use long strides and (gasp!) athleticism to get chances close to the rim rather than ambling into jump hooks like he used to.

And mixed in, of course, are assorted displays of a rare basketball genius. He’s reinventing the game on the fly, doing stuff no big man has ever done and adding to the repertoire as he goes. Oh, here, let me just whip this one-handed, no-look, pick-and-roll dish to a driving Aaron Gordon:

Here’s another clip from the weekend that I kept rewinding before I just threw up my hands and realized I was dealing with some completely different species of basketball player.

Jokic never looked to his left on this play. Not once. He also didn’t have the ball and, in fact, had his back facing Will Barton in the seconds leading up to this pass. Yet somehow he knew, before the ball ever arrived, that Barton was open in the left corner and immediately snapped the ball there.

How did he know this?

Even as the Nuggets scuffle along in fits and starts through early injuries and bad bench units, Jokic has been unbelievable. Night to night, he’s not just the most effective player in the league, but he also makes at least one mind-blowing play every single game … and everyone just kind of ignores it and goes about the day. Playing in the Rocky Horror Time Zone doesn’t help, but it’s still weird. It doesn’t help that the league still markets him like he’s Mason Plumlee.

Fans of good basketball: Appreciate this guy. He is an awesome, generational talent at the absolute peak of his powers.

mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link

It doesn’t help that the league still markets him like he’s Mason Plumlee.

No marketing genius could cast a spell of glamour over this guy, no matter how hard they tried. His skill set is awesome, but he's heavyset, has a permanently red nose and a face only his mother could love. He doesn't remotely look the part of an awesome athlete because his game isn't really based on speed, grace and power, but on fantastic court vision, super-efficient decision making and incredible finesse. His highlight reel shows him standing still more often than not, either glued to one spot or lumbering around slowly, then threading an amazing pass to a teammate. Plus, he's a Slav, not an All-American boy, talks with a funny accent, and looks permanently sullen.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:33 (two years ago) link

also I think most people would be terrified if they were to ever actually him

frogbs, Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:36 (two years ago) link

actually *meet* him, that is

frogbs, Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:36 (two years ago) link

In Hollywood Jokic would be typecast as the terrifying, but rather sluggish, goon who speaks in grunts and breaks arms for the Russian mafia.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link

they'd probably cast both his brothers & his dad too

my brother's wife is Polish and she has two huge brothers who have a similar face. they also happen to be weightlifters. just humongous people. first time I met them was at their wedding when they drove up in a car dressed in tuxedos, and asked us politely to sit in the back...immediately I was like "god I hope these are the right people"

frogbs, Thursday, 18 November 2021 19:44 (two years ago) link

lmao

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:01 (two years ago) link

if jokic's game was more thuggish, they could cast him as a heel but he plays so beautifully and crisply and lumberingly there's such cognitive disconnect. it's like watching a giant sloth do close up magic. he's unique.

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:08 (two years ago) link

they should market him as "the joker" and when he makes a crazy pass be all "that was severely twisted only the mind of a lunatic could even think of such a thing" get him to ham it up a bit make crazy eyes into the camera

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:11 (two years ago) link

he should also dropkick the ball into the stands every few games

frogbs, Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:13 (two years ago) link

the joker movie came out like 2 years ago it's an egregious missed opportunity

mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:38 (two years ago) link

btw would any brave souls still make an argument for any of the other 3 in this poll?

mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:33 (two years ago) link

I might argue that a 100% embiid over ten years would be competitive with a 100% joker over ten years if we’re talking about who you want to build a franchise around, but I would be surprised if Embiid is anything other than a bench option even five years from now the way he is deteriorating. Slim jokic is the movement

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Friday, 19 November 2021 00:08 (two years ago) link

I would just like to point out that I have been otm itt

mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 November 2021 00:16 (two years ago) link

this thread would be your magnum opus if only you could delete that one double post in your moment of weakness

it’s fuckin embiid btw

― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

it’s fuckin embiid btw

― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Spottie, Friday, 19 November 2021 00:22 (two years ago) link

once again I implore the good folks of the jury to recognize the immense pressure visited on me by my peers and also the fact that embiid was in the middle of a really nice run at the time

mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 November 2021 00:27 (two years ago) link

i wanna vote for ben simmons

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, December 26, 2017 1:19 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

jordan really went hard for ben for a while

Spottie, Friday, 19 November 2021 00:28 (two years ago) link

i think KAT could have something to say here if he ever gets out of minnesota

J0rdan S., Friday, 19 November 2021 01:12 (two years ago) link

simmons never got better in three years, possibly got worse. hard to do

J0rdan S., Friday, 19 November 2021 01:12 (two years ago) link

if you put bam on this list you'd at least have one guy who has played in an nba finals, food for thought

J0rdan S., Friday, 19 November 2021 01:17 (two years ago) link

and if you put giannis in here you wouldn't even have a conversation

J0rdan S., Friday, 19 November 2021 01:18 (two years ago) link

if you put bam on this list you'd at least have one guy who has played in an nba finals, food for thought

― J0rdan S., Thursday, November 18, 2021 8:17 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

bye troll

mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 November 2021 01:39 (two years ago) link

giannis was explicitly excluded for being too advanced

mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 November 2021 01:39 (two years ago) link

zinger being on here speaks to a more innocent time

Clay, Friday, 19 November 2021 01:45 (two years ago) link

zinger came out that season on fire made the allstar team then tore his acl rip

lag∞n, Friday, 19 November 2021 01:52 (two years ago) link


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