Who will win the Palme at Cannes? [2018 edition]

what?

It's a gag, son (cause she didn't use trier's name)

ahh

Lars von Trier is one of the most important filmmakers of the last fifty years, and his aesthetic achievements are perpetually underrated. But it can't really be separated from his shitheadedness, in one way his whole filmography is him dealing with the fact that he is a shithead. And at least it seems as if he really has tried to deal with it, instead of the fake self awareness of a shithead like Woody Allen.

Yeah I agree with that. Despite all his empty (though occasionally funny) public provocations, his films strike me as pretty earnest for the most part.

Yet so masochistic. I’ll watch something like Breaking the Waves (which even among ppl that hate him is generally well regarded, maybe more than any other of his films?) and it just seems like an exercise in torturing his characters & his audience for its own sake. I am a fan though. At least he’s interesting.

He does a lot of really earnest interviews as well, though they're perhaps rarely translated. The whole nazi-thing developed from a pretty interesting interview he gave about romantic aesthetics. The Dogme manifesto had a lot of political thoughts before the easy-to-understand rules. He runs his mouth, though.

I also think he suffers from a few of his most earnest films being among his least well known. Like Epidemic, where Lars himself plays an idealistic doctor who ends up spreading the very disease he was trying to research. Or the Boss of it All, which is totally just about filmmaking and the directors responsibility.

On the same page as you Fred but worried that my love of his work might make me ignore genuinely harmful shit in his life

Like it's not clear but he could well be genuinely guilty of awful behaviour

I don't know, I think most of his sins are well known, and I don't think it's anything like the Dylan Farrow situation, where the grotesque adoration of Woody Allen has had a harmful impact. I mean, Diane Keaton sang the Girl Scout song in his honor at the 2014 Golden Globes...

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/5603-the-horse-race-begins

Lars von Trier is one of the most important filmmakers of the last fifty years

that's it, lead with the lolz

I really liked The Wonders, will be interested to hear what Rohrwacher's new film is like

Well, this site (linked in the Criterion post) gives it the best odds to win the Palme. Based on who knows.

https://www.jigsawlounge.co.uk/film/reviews/cannes2018/

Neil Young is great, and he managed to predict Nuri Bilge Ceylan correctly that one time. But no, a woman is not going to be allowed to win at Cannes, anyone think Denis Villeneuve will agree to that? He made a film about a misogynistic mass murder that ended with a severely wounded woman telling the male protagonist 'it's not your fault'.

Lmao I was an extra in that but have never seen it

Lol. It was kinda always shit, but time has NOT been kind to it.

not sure about likelihoods, but Lazzaro Felice looks super ambitious to me

I also loved Secret Sunshine and Poetry, so I'm looking forward to Lee's new film Burning

Jia or Farhadi or Hamaguchi or GTFO

Panahi > Farhadi and it's not even close.

Re Lars earnestness - nymphomaniac is about as tone deaf as it gets - it’s 3 hours too long

Nah, it's a flawed masterpiece

it works v well as a culminating work, which has me worried for the new one tbh

Jia or Farhadi or Hamaguchi or Panahi or GTFO

I've now seen three movies by Christophe Honoré, and to my surprise two of them turned out to be musicals! I'm wondering if his new one is too

Ehrlich said he thought that Farhadi's Everybody Knows was his best since A Separation

Faint praise

Convinced.

Farhadi is one of those directors, like Fatih Akin and - sad to say because I used to like him a lot - Christian Mungiu, where whatever aesthetic ideas they had at one point has become calcified and they're basically just great scripts. It's doubly sad because they're both taking up space that could go to good image-makers, but we're sorta also missing out on some very good novelists.

Most directors -- the good ones anyway -- have a pretty strict set of aesthetic ideas and things they think about, either in the content of their scripts, their politics and how some of these are transmitted visually. So no Mungiu isn't taking up space, the execution is still there w/ Graduation

Nah, it's crap.

So far the competition seems a bit so-so. The Godard sounds predictably great, but I'm not that excited by the rest. The Serebrennikov turns out to be a biopic about Viktor Tsoi from the Russian band Kino, but it sounds quite pedestrian and way too pleasant for it's subject. The 8 hour Wang Bing about Chinese death camps sounds absolutely amazing, on the other hand.

im not sure I've the fortitude for an 8 hour documentary about death camps in the gobi desert

idk this could be great but honestly the prospect of sitting through a pessimistic feature-length screed writing off the future from the POV of an old-ass dude sounds like torture to me sorry

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/the-image-book-review-jean-luc-godard-cannes-1201963343/

I'd honestly much rather have full on fatalism than the faux concerned cynicism of someone like Bigelow or Villeneuve. And politically, it can't really be any stupider than his Dziga Vertov films, no? More Godardian montage-essay is a-ok with me. This new short was good as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5Y6wlPn5k
It's an attack on Macron, who sent riot forces to handle protesters at the Notre-Dame-des-Landes (NDDL) designating it a Zone a Defendre (ZAD) or 'defence zone'. Or at least I think it is.

i am very excited about this film

ASH IS PUREST WHITE: perhaps the finest “stop snitching” film to ever come out of China. Makes a clean companion with MMD in its elliptical timeline, its charting of wide scale change, and its delightful disco dancing.

— Charles Bramesco (@intothecrevasse) May 11, 2018

now THAT I can rock with

xpost Friends in the know have told me the Godard short is a fake :/

haven't seen any of these

after what Jeff Wells wrote about the Honore film (he walked out of it cuz it was "cummy") i will probably punch him in the face if i ever see his stupid mug again.

hate that motherfucker so much

it's like Rex Reed went into the Black Lodge and came out a hetero aspect-ratio nitwit

A world where a Jeff Wells gets to cover Cannes has already gone thru the Black Lodge.

Nah, it's crap.

― Frederik B, Friday, 11 May 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Like I said, convinced.

https://d1nslcd7m2225b.cloudfront.net/Pictures/1200xany/4/9/0/1282490_Jury-Grid-DAY-5.jpg

And here are the Chinese critics

#Cannes2018 Our Chinese critics didn’t enjoy Girls of the Sun pic.twitter.com/7mktWT706a

— Chinese Critics Grid (@CriticsGrid) May 13, 2018

Update on the Screen International list

We have a new leader atop the @Screendaily critics jury grid. #Cannes2018 pic.twitter.com/hyM5f4Sm2j

— Tim Grierson (@TimGrierson) May 13, 2018

I've never seen (or even previously heard of) any Rohrwacher's stuff before but this sounds neat

http://variety.com/2018/film/reviews/happy-as-lazzaro-review-1202808832/

Both Corpo Celeste and The Wonders are really great. She is a major new filmmaker. Alba Rohrwachers sister :)

I've been trying not to read too much about Lazzaro Felice so as not to spoil the surprise. The Wonders was lovely and memorable. Corpo Celeste is available on the library streaming app Kanopy, so maybe I'll watch that this week

the trailer for the LVT is less than encouraging tbh

one of the most amazing details is the saliva streams during the kisses.

It's just such an accomplished film from start to finish.

excellent movie but it did make me lol that they're on a remote island in the 18th century and still everyone, including the maid, is immaculately clean and groomed in every single scene

Someone lock this thread already.