a browser extension that replaces every instance of "algorithms" with "the long division algorithm"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
Our experiences have always been algorithmic, if not previously driven by an actual algorithm.
Our 'experiences' are a meeting of the external physical reality and our internal mental picture of that reality, and whereas physical reality does conform to general physical laws, it sure as shit isn't driven by algorithms. So then, was the author thinking solely of our mental reconstruction of reality into ideas about reality? If so, I'd say our brains are not algorithmically-driven either; they're all about heuristics.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
Algorithms are like obscenity: impossible to define but you know them when you see them. They're whatever we want them to be, really.
― Dethloaf LLC (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
As someone with a CS degree, it bugs me that pop culture has confused "algorithm" with "heuristic".
An algorithm is a computational process guaranteed to deliver a global optimum, for example the fastest path for a travelling salesman. Because in many cases the computation scales exponentially with the size of the problem (eg, the number of cities our salesman visits), there's a huge amount of work on heuristics, that can approximate the benefits of algorithms without the chugging for days/lifetimes.
The computational processes that deliver user and context sensitive advertising are heuristics. There's of course no global optimum for ad delivery.
Algorhithms can be for good or bad. I became disenchanted with the whole field when the focus of my grad program PI became heuristics to put medical doctors out of work. That program looking at your mammogram, that program working for the insurance company, can indeed make better diagnoses than expert doctors. But this all comes at a huge cost in human connection.
― Zhoug speaks to you, his chosen ones (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
not disagreeing with you re: valuing results over people, but man, out of everybody in healthcare, defending _doctors_ for their "people skills"... it's a strange world we live in!
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link
actual lol (no offense to any doctors other than the ones I know)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
reminds me of having a routine checkup to make sure everything else was fine after a specialist scheduled me for surgery, and the primary care dude was basically, "wow, surgery for what? that sucks man, sounds bad"
― alvin noto (mh), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link
OT aside: those in the know don't do routine checkups. If you have symptoms, by all means seek care, but fishing for diagnoses is fishing for overtreatment. One of the central falsehoods of the U.S. healthcare debate is that more healthcare is better healthcare.
― Zhoug speaks to you, his chosen ones (Sanpaku), Thursday, 19 April 2018 22:08 (six years ago) link
recently at work i was trying to explain to someone how a certain system availability metric has been defined and she was like “ok can you send me the algorithm?” it was all i could do to not respond “it’s.....not an algorithm. it’s a spreadsheet full of formulas. a woman named sharon populates it once a month.”
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 April 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
I’d still probably call that an implementation of some algorithm.
― valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 19 April 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
maybe sharon just types whatever comes to mind. the sharon algorithm.
― mh, Thursday, 19 April 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
in theaters July 10
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 April 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link
<record scratch>
― Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 20 April 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
an algorithm is just a really specific recipe what is all this mysticism nonsense
― brimstead, Friday, 20 April 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
i use an algorithm to put my pants on
today is a banner day for terrible takes about algorithms but this older one is the one that is the most ridiculous
https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/20/are-algorithms-hacking-our-thoughts/
Is human thinking beginning to mimic algorithmic processes?
yeah, fucking ban to-do lists
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
also featuring references to Karl Marx and Baudrillard:
Algorithms create a sort of Baudrillardian simulation, where each rating has completely replaced the reality it refers to
ironically, the current use of the word "algorithm" is itself a Baudrillardian simulacra, in that it is completely detached from reality
(I know that's not quite what it really means)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link
also *ym
*um, christ
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
for the "oh! i always get those two mixed up" file: jean baudrillard, charles baudelaire
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 03:06 (five years ago) link
maybe an algorithm would help you remember
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 03:56 (five years ago) link
Let’s talk about algorithms.
Let’s talk about time and space.
Let’s talk about O(n^{2}) and O(n log(n)).
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
The Most Important AlgorithmsAfter a long discussion with some of my RISC colleagues about what the 5 most important algorithms on the world are, we couldn't reach a consensus on this question. So I suggested to perform a little survey. The criterion for suggestions was that these algorithms should be widely used. Further we restrict ourselves to the fields of computer science and mathematics. A* search algorithm Beam Search Binary search Branch and bound Buchberger's algorithm Data compression Diffie-Hellman key exchange Dijkstra's algorithm Discrete differentiation Dynamic programming Euclidean algorithm Expectation-maximization algorithm (EM-Training)Fast Fourier transform (FFT) Gradient descent Hashing Heaps (heap sort) Karatsuba multiplication LLL algorithm Maximum flow Merge sort Newton's method Q-learning Quadratic sieve RANSAC RSA Schönhage-Strassen algorithm Simplex algorithm Singular value decomposition (SVD) Solving a system of linear equations Strukturtensor Union-find Viterbi algorithm
After a long discussion with some of my RISC colleagues about what the 5 most important algorithms on the world are, we couldn't reach a consensus on this question. So I suggested to perform a little survey. The criterion for suggestions was that these algorithms should be widely used. Further we restrict ourselves to the fields of computer science and mathematics.
A* search algorithm Beam Search Binary search Branch and bound Buchberger's algorithm Data compression Diffie-Hellman key exchange Dijkstra's algorithm Discrete differentiation Dynamic programming Euclidean algorithm Expectation-maximization algorithm (EM-Training)Fast Fourier transform (FFT) Gradient descent Hashing Heaps (heap sort) Karatsuba multiplication LLL algorithm Maximum flow Merge sort Newton's method Q-learning Quadratic sieve RANSAC RSA Schönhage-Strassen algorithm Simplex algorithm Singular value decomposition (SVD) Solving a system of linear equations Strukturtensor Union-find Viterbi algorithm
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
(from http://www.risc.jku.at/people/ckoutsch/stuff/e_algorithms.html)
This is a pretty good list and also reflects contemporary use!
I’d only remove strukturtensor and RANSAC. I don’t think there’s any that I’d add.
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link
my first job out of college dijkstra's algorithm came up in the interview and I knew how it worked and I got the job so I think algorithms are good
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:18 (five years ago) link
if I had a dollar for every time someone wrote about how algorithms are evil, I'd have a huge list of dollars, but I could never sort it
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link
RSA shortly to be toast thanks quantum computing
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:30 (five years ago) link
top 5 there I think are:hashingDHFFTmerge sortcompression
my wildcard most important algorithm is the Knuth-Plass line-breaking algorithm
― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:30 (five years ago) link
this is beyond my current level of knowledge but I approve of it
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
(I mean, not *all* of it is, but)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link
I mean I've never had to know precisely what a fourier transform is in my life but I know it's important for signal processing!
― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 15:35 (five years ago) link
merge sort is cool as hellQuick sort is mental
― brimstead, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
One of the authors of that Techcrunch idiocy is a compsci phd apparently?
― mick signals, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRA0W1kECg
― mick signals, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
quicksort is beautiful: quicksort(x < p) ++ p ++ quicksort(x >= p)
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
I like thread. And I really enjoy dunking on people writing about the coming gray goo or whatever. Excuse my rambling.
My analysis professor once described learning calculus, like reading Shakespeare or reading a foreign language, as something that makes everyone smarter and see the world in an entirely different way. I always loved that.
I think quicksort could be added to that list of subjects. Everything from the implementation to its analysis and even its peculiar history is complex and fascinating. I actually think a few of these would fit that too. Simplex, Dijkstra’s, or gradient descent would apply too.
If I would’ve posted this five years ago, everyone (myself included) would’ve said gradient descent should probably be removed, right? It’s incredible when ideas can be rediscovered or applied in different ways to transform entire fields. I pay my bills because of gradient descent! If it didn’t come back my research would look completely different.
I really don’t know anything about the two encryption algorithms Diffie-Hellman and RSA outside of the pop science descriptions.
I’m a little surprised by the lack of compiler-related algorithms like LALR or ideas like Chomsky hierarchy of formal grammars or even Church calculi. I first heard about the Kahan algorithm for SVD when I went to a Q&A with Chomsky and someone asked him to share a math trick he liked.
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
Silby, of the algorithms on the list I’ve implemented, FFT is the trickiest but possibly the most rewarding. It’s usefulness also extends outside of signal processing. I believe NLP, for example, now uses conceptually similar transformations for translation problems.
You should try it! (I bet the key exchange or RSA are trickier but, like I said, I don’t know much about them. Maybe I should try and learn something.)
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 6 June 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
https://www.fastcodesign.com/90174587/if-you-walk-breathe-or-talk-this-ai-probably-knows-who-you-are
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 7 June 2018 12:23 (five years ago) link
that one's not so bad beyond the headline
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 7 June 2018 13:49 (five years ago) link
this maybe isn't the thread for it but someone I follow on Twitter pointed out Angela Merkel being on the same Coachella tier with an android
What are the implications of AI? How can society interact responsibly with machines? And will our current political strategies help shape the future of intelligent systems? Do not miss out on #moralsandmachines in Berlin on June 27 & 28. Tickets -> https://t.co/s4l6W1aneD #wiwo pic.twitter.com/1GeIBLSKgl— Léa Steinacker (@leasteinacker) June 7, 2018
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 7 June 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
Eye in the Sky: Real-time Drone Surveillance System (DSS) for Violent Individuals Identification using ScatterNet Hybrid Deep Learning Network
https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.00746v1
😳
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 7 June 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
I'm starting to think any paper submitted should require an ethicist be one of the credited contributors before it's allowed to be published
― mh, Thursday, 7 June 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
see that doesn't belong in the thread either because it sounds like it actually is a bad algorithm
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 7 June 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/10/yuval-noah-harari-technology-tyranny/568330/
I haven't read any of Harari's books, but I feel like the buzz around him is mostly positive so I was surprised to read stuff like this:
Imagine Anna Karenina taking out her smartphone and asking Siri whether she should stay married to Karenin or elope with the dashing Count Vronsky. Or imagine your favorite Shakespeare play with all the crucial decisions made by a Google algorithm. Hamlet and Macbeth would have much more comfortable lives, but what kind of lives would those be?
tbf this is nowhere near as dumb as the OP and he raises plenty of valid concerns, but I'm not sure techno-dystopianism is going to help us anymore than its opposite ever did
― rob, Monday, 3 September 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
The insatiable demand for content and for novelty leads to every kind of inanity getting disseminated. The bar for punditry is set exceptionally low.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 3 September 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
harari's 2014 book is compelling, his 2016 one a bit more of a slog
came here to post this
http://www.drb.ie/essays/the-hive-mind
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 3 September 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
the whole paragraph is a clusterfuck really
Democratic elections and free markets might cease to make sense.
algorithmic trading has existed for over three decades now
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 07:39 (five years ago) link
(and actually has caused very real and very big problems with the economy, but that isn't as exciting as robots stealing our free will)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 4 September 2018 07:47 (five years ago) link
only tangentially related to algorithm panic but the best thread on this subject you'll ever erad
(nsfw, probably, conceptually nsfw at least)
Ugh. I will be receiving this article for the foreseeable future, and while I love yelling at people for sending me dumb shit, I have things to do. In an effort to save time, I presentONE DEGREE OF TRANSLATIONAL FREEDOM DOES NOT A BLOWJOB MAKEA THREADhttps://t.co/ltHco7EGtU— Kyle Machulis (@qDot) October 26, 2018
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 26 October 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link
s/read
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 26 October 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link
I expected this bump to be about the aoc thing (which I still need to get through like four levels of Discourse telephone to figure out who's misrepresenting whom and by how much)
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link
i'm not following things too closely but steve bellovin seems cogent
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/01/yes-algorithms-can-be-biased-heres-why/
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Friday, 25 January 2019 02:37 (five years ago) link
yeah, once I actually read her comments rather than the crust of Discourse coating them, they were far more reasonable than anything in this thread
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Friday, 25 January 2019 18:37 (five years ago) link
this one truly has it all https://medium.com/futuresin/why-algorithms-and-artificial-intelligence-are-a-threat-to-democracy-bd4d6b1114af
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 5 April 2019 13:58 (five years ago) link
(I realize picking on something by a "Blockchain Mark Consultant, tech Futurist, prolific writer" is cheating, but it was in my inbox)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 5 April 2019 14:01 (five years ago) link
IBM must be grateful there's an I in Mafia
ha, I was going to ask, is this actually getting traction? The introduction is disqualifying on its own
― rob, Friday, 5 April 2019 14:03 (five years ago) link
the algorithm currently on my shit list is the one medium used to determine, correctly, that I would click this and email me about it
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 5 April 2019 14:06 (five years ago) link
I don't even know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0F45NHLrRA
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 29 April 2019 04:51 (five years ago) link
https://www.businessinsider.com/hbo-netflix-recommended-by-humans-website-fan-testimonial-2019-8
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 August 2019 14:18 (four years ago) link
look out for the algorithims is something
i'm very fascinated by the placement of objects in that room, specifically the large potted plant which almost looks photoshopped in
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 August 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link
seriously! like, why is dude putting his tripod on top of the kick drum head? Looks like it could lead to it ripping? ... otoh, he could have just put the tripod on the floor, if it weren't for the immense potted plant that seems to be there for no good reason? The potted plant is really jarring the more I think about it.
― sarahell, Monday, 12 August 2019 15:00 (four years ago) link
also the plant looks a *slight bit* tilted? from left to right? like it seems to tilt more than the bass drumit's a very claustrophobic mise en scene
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 August 2019 15:07 (four years ago) link
yeah ... the plant is really troubling ... maybe it was photoshopped in, but in place of some other object? also the tree branch that seems to be tapping at the window at various times? though we can't hear it in the recording, even though it is ostensibly being recorded through the zoom recorder on the tripod, which would presumably pick up some of that sound? though, maybe not?
― sarahell, Monday, 12 August 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
and what are the drums resting on? it looks like it's some white pedestal or ... like they are just sitting in mid-air? is it just me, or does it kinda look like the snare/tom stack is just floating there?
― sarahell, Monday, 12 August 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
really wish I knew who ran this account
Looking for non-algorithmic pop smashes!! https://t.co/SOm0DQqeSQ— ShittyAandRguy (@shittyAandRguy) December 28, 2019
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 29 December 2019 09:39 (four years ago) link
an otherwise ok aggregation post of a twitter workaround with an unfortunate title: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7kz9ez/go-into-2020-by-taking-your-twitter-feed-back-from-the-algorithm
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link
Here's the heart of it:
By adding a few strings—little bits of code used by Twitter to tag types of tweets—to your muted keywords list, you can change the way the Twitter algorithm sends content to your feed. While logged in to Twitter, go to Settings > Notifications > Muted > Muted words, and add the strings below. •suggest_activity_tweet: Stops the platform from feeding you tweets you might like•suggest_recycled_tweet_inline: Stops repeated tweets from appearing over and over•suggest_pyle_tweet: Stops serving tweets because mutuals engaged with them•suggest_grouped_tweet_hashtag: Stops tweets associated with popular hashtags from appearing randomly in your timeline•suggest_who_to_follow: Self-explanatory•generic-activity-momentsbreaking: Keep tweets served simply because they're part of a Moment out of your feed
While logged in to Twitter, go to Settings > Notifications > Muted > Muted words, and add the strings below.
•suggest_activity_tweet: Stops the platform from feeding you tweets you might like
•suggest_recycled_tweet_inline: Stops repeated tweets from appearing over and over
•suggest_pyle_tweet: Stops serving tweets because mutuals engaged with them
•suggest_grouped_tweet_hashtag: Stops tweets associated with popular hashtags from appearing randomly in your timeline
•suggest_who_to_follow: Self-explanatory
•generic-activity-momentsbreaking: Keep tweets served simply because they're part of a Moment out of your feed
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link
right, take your feed back from the algorithm by... adding additional parameters to the algorithm
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 9 January 2020 13:34 (four years ago) link
from this spotty essay on big thief: https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/listening-in-an-emergency
The task of finding new music presents its own difficulties. If the trouble with YouTube is that it serves up progressively more extreme ideological content, Spotify has precisely the opposite problem, where any song, no matter how brilliant, quickly leads to a chain of forgettable copies that degrade the first song in retrospect.
a) so how, exactly, does this differ from YouTube? because the last time I checked YouTube had a music recommendation algorithm too (although half the time it just sends you to "Plastic Love"). or for that matter, how does this differ from the one on SoundCloud, or Bandcamp, or Amazon, or Last.fm, or literally every other music site that has a similarity feature?
b) 1,000 landfill indie copies exist of virtually every band in existence, because that's how influence works, and the only difference between a playlist and a used-record bin is that the used-record bin probably gave people an advance; in fact one could argue this is what brilliance is, the inability to fade into the background
c) and if Big Thief (the subject of the essay) is indeed brilliant, then why don't they get degraded by the 1,000 Big Thief copies that exist?
d) how exactly does this have anything to do with the rest of the essay
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:03 (four years ago) link
https://slate.com/technology/2020/07/college-admissions-algorithms-applications.html
"will colleges start using THE ALGORITHMS in admissions decisions?" unfortunately I have some bad news for the author about the current process that college admission boards use
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 13 July 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link
college board website: "Large, public state university systems often use a mathematical formula based on a student's grade point average (GPA) and scores on the SAT or ACT. They tend to favor in-state applicants."
if there's some explanation for how this is not an algorithm, the author hasn't mentioned it
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 13 July 2020 23:14 (three years ago) link
the algorithms haven't had a great week in the UK
https://www.wired.com/story/an-algorithm-determined-uk-students-grades-chaos-ensued/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/08/13/algorithm-has-ruined-a-level-results-thousands-students/https://www.standard.co.uk/news/education/a-level-exam-grades-faulty-algorithm-a4526646.html
― mise róna (seandalai), Monday, 17 August 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link
Q: Who is to blame for the government's mishandling of a situation everyone saw coming six months ago? A: The algorithms!
― mise róna (seandalai), Monday, 17 August 2020 12:18 (three years ago) link
FWIW I think this scandal is a bit different as most people seem to correctly recognise that the algorithm is being used as a clumsy shield by the unforgivable people who are actually in charge of this shitstorm.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 17 August 2020 12:25 (three years ago) link
I'm going to lose my fucking mind:
Algorithms, by contrast, change as human behavior changes. They resemble not the cars or coal mines we have regulated in the past, but something more like the bacteria in our intestines, living organisms that interact with us. In one experiment, for example, Matias observed that when users on Reddit worked together to promote news from reliable sources, the Reddit algorithm itself began to prioritize higher-quality content.
this is the equivalent of saying "when people started adding 2+4 instead of 2+2, the algorithm produced 6 instead of 4! It's changing!" (or, in this case: "when people started to promote more high-quality content, the prioritize-stuff-people-promote algorithm started to prioritize more high-quality content! It's changing!")
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:04 (three years ago) link
i think my brain needs a new algorithm
― sarahell, Monday, 15 March 2021 14:55 (three years ago) link
Recipes, by contrast, change as human behavior changes. The recipe called for chicken so the first time I made it, I used a can of dog food. The second time I used fresh chicken, resulting in higher-quality food.
― rob, Monday, 15 March 2021 15:10 (three years ago) link
now uk government policy
The minister in charge of the new law regulating behaviour online has told social media bosses to “remove your harmful algorithms today” - or face swift criminal prosecution https://t.co/BkxI3Hwcr8— Sky News (@SkyNews) November 4, 2021
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 4 November 2021 21:51 (two years ago) link
Is that Secretary Aimless? ;)
She said of the social media companies: "They know what they're doing wrong."Her junior minister, Chris Philp, added: "The platforms have no regard or scant regard for protecting people… it is completely unacceptable and irresponsible."Ms Dorries, who was unexpectedly promoted to culture secretary by Boris Johnson in last month's reshuffle, also confirmed that the bill would use an expansive definition of online harm, up to and including "psychological harm" caused by abuse.The government has found the exact nature of "online harm" difficult to pin down and critics - including tech company lobbyists - argue that it has still not been properly defined in the legislation.The government is being urged to use its upcoming Online Safety Bill to give police and prosecutors more powers. Ms Dorries said she believed the definition was "quite clear", saying: "If it causes physical or psychological injury then, of course, it wouldn't be allowed."However, she said that the concept of "societal harm", which some have called on to be included in the bill, was "too complex" to put into law.
Her junior minister, Chris Philp, added: "The platforms have no regard or scant regard for protecting people… it is completely unacceptable and irresponsible."
Ms Dorries, who was unexpectedly promoted to culture secretary by Boris Johnson in last month's reshuffle, also confirmed that the bill would use an expansive definition of online harm, up to and including "psychological harm" caused by abuse.
The government has found the exact nature of "online harm" difficult to pin down and critics - including tech company lobbyists - argue that it has still not been properly defined in the legislation.
The government is being urged to use its upcoming Online Safety Bill to give police and prosecutors more powers.
Ms Dorries said she believed the definition was "quite clear", saying: "If it causes physical or psychological injury then, of course, it wouldn't be allowed."
However, she said that the concept of "societal harm", which some have called on to be included in the bill, was "too complex" to put into law.
― DJI, Thursday, 4 November 2021 22:45 (two years ago) link
my god
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 4 November 2021 23:08 (two years ago) link
Omg they're doing it out in the open!!
https://www.algoriddim.com/
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 November 2021 01:22 (two years ago) link
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/10/22775580/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-judge-apple-ai-pinch-to-zoom-footage-manipulation-claim
― koogs, Thursday, 11 November 2021 10:54 (two years ago) link
What the fucking fuck. Fuck this judge.
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 November 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link
judge is 75. judge doesn't do email
― just staying (Karl Malone), Thursday, 11 November 2021 16:40 (two years ago) link
“iPads, which are made by Apple, have artificial intelligence in them that allow things to be viewed through three-dimensions and logarithms,” the defense insisted. “It uses artificial intelligence, or their logarithms, to create what they believe is happening. So this isn’t actually enhanced video, this is Apple’s iPad programming creating what it thinks is there, not what necessarily is there,” they added....Judge Schroeder argued that it was the prosecution — not the defense — that had the burden of proving that Apple doesn’t use artificial intelligence to manipulate footage, demanding that they provide an expert to testify, and didn’t allow the prosecution to adjourn to find that expert before bringing Rittenhouse up for cross-examination. The judge suggested that prosecutors could somehow find that expert in 20 minutes while they took a brief recess. “Maybe you can get someone to testify on this within minutes, I don’t know,” said the judge. No such expert was there by the time the trial resumed.
...Judge Schroeder argued that it was the prosecution — not the defense — that had the burden of proving that Apple doesn’t use artificial intelligence to manipulate footage, demanding that they provide an expert to testify, and didn’t allow the prosecution to adjourn to find that expert before bringing Rittenhouse up for cross-examination. The judge suggested that prosecutors could somehow find that expert in 20 minutes while they took a brief recess. “Maybe you can get someone to testify on this within minutes, I don’t know,” said the judge. No such expert was there by the time the trial resumed.
someone, find an expert on logarithms!!
― just staying (Karl Malone), Thursday, 11 November 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link
i think i could be a pioneering lawyer, now that i know this kind of stuff works!
your honor, i'm afraid that all of the video and audio exhibits presented by the prosecution must be thrown out. you see, they don't want you to know all of the video and audio has been manipulated. it is not the original sound and images that a witness would have perceived in real life. these sounds and images were captured by a device - an iPhone, made by a company called Apple - and then stored on their digital platform. in the process, apple uses proprietary "logarithms" to convert these files for storage.
Judge Larry Fontaine: I am so sick of these companies and their logarithms trying to fool us. Prosecution, unless you can produce a logarithm expert while I go take a 20-minute three-flusher, I will be forced to throw out all evidence in this trial. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a crossword to do
― just staying (Karl Malone), Thursday, 11 November 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link
Why does the YouTube Music algorithim think I want to hear "Take My Breathe Away" every goddam day
― | (Latham Green), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 13:04 (one year ago) link
if they mean The Knife single then because it's a great single
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 16:13 (one year ago) link