Eli?
― Droni Mitchell (Ross), Thursday, 12 April 2018 00:36 (six years ago) link
Continuing the series, The 200 Greatest Songs by 21st Century Women.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
Liking J Shep’s contributions of non-American acts in my quick look at this so far.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
"women+" is a non-starter for me. rules for this one were bizarre too
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
"Standing in the Way of Control" is way too low on the list.
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
tons of good songs
Khia too low :P
― niels, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 10:08 (five years ago) link
Sick to death of lists tbh.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 10:24 (five years ago) link
I like playlists
200-101 probably more interesting than 100-1, as usual
― niels, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 10:27 (five years ago) link
personal faves not on the list: cat power, neko case, cupcakke, eleanor friedberger, fiona apple, jessie ware, weather station, weyes blood, selena gomez, melanie de biasio, alvvays
― niels, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:06 (five years ago) link
oh yeah and joan shelley but I realize she may be niche
cat power, neko case, fiona apple
all debuted before 2000 so they'd never appear on this list
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:14 (five years ago) link
the best part about that rule is that it would probably add like twenty names total and the actual cost would be like "I can't believe we have to have mention Missy Elliott instead of two Jenny Lewis/CARLY FUCKIN RAE JEPPERS songs" or "which of these completely forgettable Brooklyn/Philly/Boston indie rock bands won't make the cut"
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:20 (five years ago) link
Or just making the list 250 songs!
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:22 (five years ago) link
Yes. 70 plus contributors and it looks like none of them are listening to afropop -- sorry Yemi Alade but you did not make the list. The NPR "whirled music" person did get Noura Mint Seymali on this list of mostly Americans and Brits.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:33 (five years ago) link
The NPR "whirled music" person did get Noura Mint Seymali on this list of mostly Americans and Brits.
Tanya Tagaq, too.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:38 (five years ago) link
Completely erasing Missy Elliott, Aaliyah, Destiny’s Child, Erykah Badu, Mary J Blige and Sade from the canon in favor of a murderer's row of white privilege Pitchfork bands and a Tune-Yards song called "Powa" and then branding it all with THEY SLAY and "REWIND. REMIX. REPRESENT." and "Turning the Tables" is some real neoliberalism on parade
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:53 (five years ago) link
Completely erasing Missy Elliott, Aaliyah, Destiny’s Child, Erykah Badu, Mary J Blige and Sade
If this is the case (haven't paged through all 845 pages of the article, but if this is true, gtfo with this list NPR.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:56 (five years ago) link
parts of this series remind me of this bit from the rap against rockism:
You can argue that the shape-shifting feminist hip-pop of Ms. Aguilera is every bit as radical as the punk rock of the 1970's (and it is), but then you haven't challenged any of the old rockist questions (starting with: Who's more radical?), you've just scribbled in some new answers.
now, to be fair, there are some very interesting revelations here. but especially as you climb up to the top, say, 77 or so, you don't have a whole lot of stripped-era aguilera-type cuts so much as what you'd get if you just polled your very standard cross-section of rockcrits w/ very standard rockcrit taste, extended the resultant list as far as you'd need to get (x) women artists, then cut all the male artists out. is it all that necessary to remind everyone that "since u been gone" "dancing on my own" "crazy in love" "umbrella" "paper planes" "maps" and all the other women-led songs that have become tokens in the standard male-rockcrit canon are good songs? not so sure myself!
i appreciate the very lucid and incisive criticisms of the first-release cutoff rule, especially those highlighting how that criterion inadvertently ends up reproducing the wider industry's cruel ageist tendencies that disproportionately harm women.
― dyl, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:46 (five years ago) link
some of the exceptions to the rules were bizarre too. like, apparently the works of eve and kelis can be neatly bifurcated into pre- and post-y2k eras? idek
― dyl, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:48 (five years ago) link
I'm having a hard time thinking of Ms. Aguilera as being every bit as radical as Poly Styrene or Liliput or Exene Cervenka. Please, no firing squad--I'm sure it's a fine list.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
Kelis did have a little dead zone in America because the best song of her career flopped and her second album never came out
I love the shot of the pom(?) around 51 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-dAOVM1C8M
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
Ann Powers who curated this says the artists had to have their impact in the 21st century. Arguably, Missy Elliott’s post 2000 work had more of an impact than her pre 2000 efforts.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:21 (five years ago) link
She said debut in 21st or impact
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
Same with Aaliyah and, as @maura points out, Kylie
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:26 (five years ago) link
no wonder the US is a divided country when this is a liberal/progressive take on this list
― niels, Thursday, 2 August 2018 06:11 (five years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:21 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
aint no 'arguably'
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 2 August 2018 11:56 (five years ago) link
― niels, Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:11 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the list unquestionably, IMO, and drastically underrates R&B
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 2 August 2018 11:57 (five years ago) link
like i haven't checked but just as an example did any keyshia cole songs make it
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 2 August 2018 12:01 (five years ago) link
most of these seem at least informed by rnb imo:
19. Beyoncé, "Formation" (2016)15. Nicki Minaj, "Super Bass" (2010)12. Solange, "Cranes In The Sky" (2016)11. Janelle Monáe (ft. Big Boi), "Tightrope" (2010)8. Alicia Keys, "Fallin'" (2001)7. Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, "100 Days, 100 Nights" (2007)6. Lorde, "Royals" (2013)4. Amy Winehouse, "Back To Black" (2006)3. Beyoncé, "Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It)" (2008)1. M.I.A., "Paper Planes" (2007)
anyway, surely some genres/artists are represented as always, just find it... I dunno what word to use... remarkable maybe, that a liberal/progressive reaction to National Radio's attempt at challenging a male dominated canon would be calling it neo liberalist bullshit
I'm not going to spend time hatereading reddit comments about the list, but I'm sure a lot of people find the very concept of a list with no men offensive
― niels, Thursday, 2 August 2018 12:21 (five years ago) link
underrepresented*
― niels, Thursday, 2 August 2018 12:22 (five years ago) link
you show those reddit men you just imagined, niels
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:30 (five years ago) link
you don't think they exist?
― niels, Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:42 (five years ago) link
What type of brain disease would I need where I get mad at hypothetical Reddit posts that I invent in my head
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link
haha that's a bit rich but I gather you think I'm insane for imagining how a list like this would be received in certain forums?
― niels, Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:55 (five years ago) link
...yes?
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 2 August 2018 13:56 (five years ago) link
for what it's worth this is the reddit thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/LetsTalkMusic/comments/6pvq4m/lets_talk_nprs_150_greatest_albums_made_by_women/
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:06 (five years ago) link
Lmfaoooooooooooooooo
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:06 (five years ago) link
(from last year's list; this year's list doesn't seem to have as much commentary but https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/93253b/npr_list_the_200_greatest_songs_by_21st_century/)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link
From /r/popheads
https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/934a2i/npr_the_200_greatest_songs_by_21st_century_women/
― how's life, Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
yeah I was just about to link that but the too reddit didn't read is that the list was received basically how it was received here; T_D types generally don't follow music to this degree
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:10 (five years ago) link
It's an interesting list, but the ranking order is all over the place. When you have stuff like Britney Spears' ...Baby One More Time (which aside from the singles is pretty dire, and one of her worst albums honestly) higher than Young, Gifted and Black by Aretha Franklin, your list can't be all that great.Still, it's refreshing because most other best of albums lists are indeed very male dominated, and even rock-oriented. Whereas there seems to be a lot of diversity in this list.
Still, it's refreshing because most other best of albums lists are indeed very male dominated, and even rock-oriented. Whereas there seems to be a lot of diversity in this list.
Wow, the top voted Reddit comment. These absolute savages. These fucking monsters.
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:12 (five years ago) link
(there's also a /mu/ thread apparently but I'm not clicking it at work)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link
/mu/ is not talking about this right now
But you can read these threads:
Where's theneedledrop?: Why are Fantano's scores still not appearing in the reception section of album articles in Wikipedia?
The only reason people think Birds in the Trap was bad is because of Fantano's opinion. If he gave it a good score everyone on reddit and /mu/ would think it was good. Fuck Anthony Fantano. And fuck mindless drones. Astroworld is going to be AOTY.
He everyone, VIEWSTHONY WHORETANO here, the internet's most desperate music nerd. And it's time for a review of another imexplicably positive review of a terrible SoundCloud rap album because that's what my underaged fanbase wants to hear.
Hi my name is Frank Zappa and my musuic is garbage
Why are there so many pseuds and contrarians on this board? Do they think they're above others for having an inferior taste in music? Help me out here, /mu/.
Post based and redpilled RYM reviews
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link
they were as of two days ago https://i.imgur.com/seSvPqF.png
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link
(google search link because, again, I'm not clicking this at work, so for all I know it could be fawningly positive)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:33 (five years ago) link
it's not
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:36 (five years ago) link
but this is a good time as ever to guess which ILXors have soy face
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 2 August 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
happy to hear the reddit thread is not badstill think it's v weird to describe this list as neo liberal
― niels, Thursday, 2 August 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link
also d40 what's the joke pls
― niels, Thursday, 2 August 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
xpost it is “weird” and makes zero sense but I would ignore it
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 2 August 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link