Is it? I’m honestly asking... never really knew how to “read” that song (or that line in particular).
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
talking heads coming off like the asshole there, as per
― imago, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
"It's not even worth talkingAbout those people down there"
which could be read as a diss on all humans or just the subject of the song, the southerners.
just found this cool quote from a blog frankly curious
"It is the view from seven miles up from an elitist who really knows nothing of the people he is — literally and figuratively — looking down on".
Definitely resonates with me, it could also be read as a retreat from a former country lifestyle (byrne's from Dumbarton) into a city mentality.
― Droni Mitchell (Ross), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link
See I wasn't sure if Byrne is actually expressing those sentiments, or speaking as a "character"... can't decipher how much irony is present (which could be a failing of this particular song, as his lyrics are usually pretty dead-on readable, even when "ironic"?).
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
Bob Dylan - "Gotta Serve Somebody"John Lennon - "Serve Yourself"
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
He left Dumbarton when he was 4 btw.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
The Beatles - "Norwegian Wood"Bob Dylan - "4th Time Around"
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link
the song's definitely conflicted because he's acknowledging a community that he's not also part of and longs for that.
thanks Tom, speaking out of my ass it seems there
― Droni Mitchell (Ross), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
I think it’s in character to some degree, especially listening to the (superior) The Name of This Band version, where he’s just losing it by the second verse - “Look at them EAT it! I BET IT TASTES REAL GOOOOOD!” But I imagine it reflects some real feelings. So many songs out there about being sick of the hectic city life, goin up the country, etc, and this is one of the very few making a solid case that the city is superior and country living is boring as shit. If I was a journalist who got assigned to write features on Trump country it would be in my head constantly.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
But he doesn't even really say anything about the city at all(?) I get that it's a guy in a plane over "flyover country," almost marveling at these normal aspects of middle-American life as if they're alien and quaint...
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
Maybe it's not too complicated; the character is reflecting on that lifestyle and how he wouldn't want to live there (even though he can see the appeal)... and finally concluding he's just tired of being in a plane. I think it's the line "I couldn't live like that, no siree!" that's hard to read, as there's a degree of irony in using that cliche/expression (no one actually says "no siree!" to themselves, at least without irony).
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
no siree is a southern expression tho :)
― Droni Mitchell (Ross), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:08 (five years ago) link
It's almost as if the narrator is trying to convince himself that he wouldn't want to live there ("no siree!"), but he's not entirely buying it; especially the more he thinks about it ("I guess it's healthy, I guess the air is clean...").
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
"I'm tired of traveling, I want to be somewhere" is a tip off line to that ambivalence i think morris
― Droni Mitchell (Ross), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:10 (five years ago) link
I read the last verse as less being tired of being in a plane, and more being increasingly upset that being in a plane is causing him to think about the people down there and their boring lives.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
The possibility of ambivalence is there for sure, but it does seem like Byrne’s lyrics typically lay out their characters pretty openly, and there are quite a few that deal with obsessive dislike/distrust towards a common aspect of life.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
If taken at face value it is just a dick song; I guess the best way to rescue it is to assume irony, or to assume the speaker is a put-on character who is being satirized for the shallowness of his dismissal of millions of people's lives.
For some reason I vaguely thought Byrne was from Columbia (MD) but upon looking it up he actually lived in Arbutus, which is grittier. Not urban or rural but not dreamily suburban either; my feeling is that it had a somewhat blue-collary vibe in the 70s.
― fleetwood machiavellian (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
I think it’s way more entertaining when taken at face value! It’s a funny rant, and it’s funnier with no ambivalence.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link
^ otm
― Droni Mitchell (Ross), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
Kind of an odd album-closer, IMO.
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
maybe it's ironic. or maybe he's just not bringing up the small-mindedness and ignorance endemic to those places because he doesn't have to. (not everyone out there is small-minded and ignorant, of course... just the people who run things.)
and hey, a self-aware asshole is still an asshole.
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
ok.
In my mind the "answer song" category widens to include things like "Okie from Muskogee" and "Perfectly Good Guitar," which are answers to broader stimuli than just one song.
― fleetwood machiavellian (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
"The Takeover" and "Ether" obviously
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
Dean Friedman - A Baker's Tale in response to Half Man Half Biscuit - The Bastard Son of Dean Friedman
― devvvine, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
The Beatles - "Taxman"Cheap Trick - "Taxman, Mr. Thief"
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link
Bing Crosby - "Pennies From Heaven", "Love Thy Neighbor", "The Last Roundup"Van Dyke Parks - "Bing Crosby"
Bing has a way of singing with his very heart and soulWhich captivates the worldHis millions of listeners never fail to rejoiceAt his golden voiceThey love to hear his la di da di daSo sweetly with such harmonyThrilling the world with his melody
I wonder if you heard him singing the song"May I Be the One to Say I"I wonder if you heard againEverytime It Rains It Rains Pennies from HeavenBut Love Thy Neighbor was a most thrilling songAnd Get Along Little Dogie Get AlongUnanimously three cheers forMr Bing Crosby
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
T-Rex - "Children of the Revolution", "Born to Boogie"David Bowie - "Lady Stardust" (originally titled "Song for Marc"), "Star Man"
"Children of the Revolution" was a song they were working on at the time so it seems like this is Bowie giving a shout out to his friend's new single. "Starman" I always felt was about "Get It On" and T-Rex blowing up. "Born to boogie" was the movie/live show they were making with Ringo at the time, for sure he knew about it. thus "Let all the children boogie"
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:13 (five years ago) link
Robyn Hitchcock - Listening to the Higsons
About mishearing the lyrics of “gotta let this heat out”
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link