Fleetwood Mac: Classic or Dud

oh, I forgot about [The] Finn [Brothers]. Add "2004 (including Chicago)" to the list, making 17 proper times in 13 years that this artist who never tours the US travelled to the US to play shows.

(2011 in Chicago was Pajama Club, and oops, three were Crowded House - they went back in consecutive years on the first "new" album.)

additional!

Fleetwood Mac guys clearly know Mike Campbell, but I wonder where the Neil Finn connection came from?

― Josh

Oh, wait, Mitchell Froom produced the Buckingham/McVie album, there's the one degree.

― Josh

Froom & Finn haven't worked together since three tracks for a best-of 23 years ago. It's not impossible that a bunch of still-working musicians from the '70s know another still-working musician from the '70s by reputation or in passing.

Also, Mick Fleetwood played with Liam Finn in NZ two years ago yesterday.

― me

seems Split Enz toured the US and Canada with Stevie Nicks and the Heartbreakers in 1981. and at the same 2016 gig, long-time CH fan Mick also backed Neil on Better Be Home Soon, then returned to NZ a few months later & recorded three albums' worth of material with him.

(presumably stoned jams that were fine not seeing the light of day once the haze lifted. or great songs that couldn't make it past Fleetwood's labels and managers.)

sic *knows* the things he knows

i wasn't exactly expecting that to include the historical record of kiwis' tours of north america, but nor am i surprised

I only *knew* Josh was talking nonsense, even I was surprised when I looked it up

I did correct myself to say that I meant solo tours, where he plays his solo material. Not Pajama Club, not Crowded House, not Finn Brothers. Stuff from his solo albums.

Only fixating because of all the Finn shows I've seen - CH, Brothers - his solo shows have been my fave. Especially when Lisa Germano was in the band.

"I'm unlikely to buy concert tickets to go see them do "Second Hand News""

I have to assume they won't be playing any primarily Lindsey written material on this tour. Maybe they will but that seems like it would be weird.

also, buckingham has been long rumored (ha) to have an abusive past. I wonder if they cut ties with him this time out out of fear that those claims were going to rear their head again; or maybe Stevie said "no"

They should get Tim Finn to replace Stevie and knuckle down and make a record.

Would totally love Finn Brothers with the FM rhythm section.

Who did he hit this time?

also, buckingham has been long rumored (ha) to have an abusive past. I wonder if they cut ties with him this time out out of fear that those claims were going to rear their head again; or maybe Stevie said "no"

I read her book and it's graphic – even the part where Harris describes applying makeup to Buck before an Elvis Costello show.

Dare I ask what that entails?

eyeliner!

yeah I went back and googled and some of this stuff is in Gold Dust Woman (the Stevie bio that was published in November). So I wouldn't be surprised if the band thought it best to head that off before a tour brouht it up again; or, like I said, maybe Stevie just said 'him or me' and they made the sound financial choice.

Hopefully the Eagles organization will follow the Mac's lead and fire Don He...I couldn't even complete that sentence.

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Buckingham mcvie album is alright but if I wasn’t a Mac fan not sure I would care much for it

Well, yeah.

Occurred to me that this all could be a(nother) passive aggressive battle between Buckingham and Nicks. Buckingham/McVie album was supposed to be a Fleetwood Mac album, but Nicks said she was too busy with her own projects to participate. So along comes another Mac tour, and I can totally imagine Buckingham saying, you know what? I'm busy now, too. Try back later. And they called him on his bluff (by calling in ringers).

Oooo

I seriously wonder how many Fleetwood Mac fans have no idea any of this is happening. There are millions of them, and many of them are probably not internet savvy. So quite a lot, I bet. Some of them might even think Mike Campbell and/or Neil Finn are Lindsey Buckingham!

Oh josh it’s a lot. I bring up the Mac tour to randos and they’re like “what happened”

Some of them might even think Mike Campbell and/or Neil Finn are Lindsey Buckingham!

My sister was excited at having tickets to see them three years ago because "it's the original line-up!"

Danny Kirwan died today, apparently.

from his FB fan page:

DANNY KIRWAN OUR SWEET ANGEL HAS DIED With a heavy heart broken in pieces it appears that i am the only administrator up or available at this hour in America and so i had to confirm the saddest news that some of you have been asking about: yes the news is true. I HAVE NO WORDS: DANNY WAS & IS THE VERY HEART of the success that became Fleetwood Mac everything is owed to Danny but for now i'd like to focus on the human being , the man, the heart and the soul that was/ is our Danny: please wait for my post i'm falling apart a little here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uh8B5utIuE

RIP, oft overlooked Fleetwood Mac linchpin.

Have any of the obits stated how or where he had been living? Wasn't he missing for a while, and/or homeless? I remember reading about Mick tracking him down and quietly helping to pay for his care/rehabilitation, a la Syd Barrett.

Kirwin was such a great player, RIP

Spinning Bare Trees on vinyl--I can understand why it didn't happen for them then, but it's still kind of crazy that the band weren't bigger than they were at that time. Kirwan and Welch really clicked as guitar players, real superb layered harmony licks that carry the tunes.

a band with three Syd barretts… I watched a Peter Green BBC doc a few years ago: Green is still a many bricks shy a load, but Spencer seems to be completely fine, barring still being involved in the Family of God… "hey I just a had a few bad trips and then spent the rest of my life in a cult that valorizes sex with children as God's will! Ain't no big thing!" also weird how Spencer refused to contribute to Green's songs in any significant way, whereas Green and Kirwan played on his shit…can't think of another example where one member consistently refuses to contribute to other's songs

Kirwan is the only one of the three that never got his life back together…

Fleetwood Mac left a real train of wreckage behind it....what a beautiful player he was and lost soul. :(

RIP. This is one of the best songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQ07_22YA0

Do we know what his state was the past few years? Did he really never get it back together? Genuine bummer.

a band with three Syd barretts… I watched a Peter Green BBC doc a few years ago: Green is still a many bricks shy a load, but Spencer seems to be completely fine, barring still being involved in the Family of God… "hey I just a had a few bad trips and then spent the rest of my life in a cult that valorizes sex with children as God's will! Ain't no big thing!" also weird how Spencer refused to contribute to Green's songs in any significant way, whereas Green and Kirwan played on his shit…can't think of another example where one member consistently refuses to contribute to other's songs

Kirwan is the only one of the three that never got his life back together…

― veronica moser

i don't know if it's only three... bob welch did kill himself, right?

yep

he had some pretty serious health complications though iirc

this is a nice slow burner, assuming the great lead break at 3:36 is kirwin since he wrote the song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9vMqep1lC0

spencer's sha na na 50s pastiche bullshit kinda fucks up the album for me but it's still got a lot of good stuff

Welch actually seemed pretty stable, all accounts I've read of his suicide lead me to believe it was due to the aforementioned (physical) health issues

He was really into aliens.

sha na na 50s pastiche bullshit

Aw man, this hurts me. True, they make for a disjointed listening experience, but I love almost all of Spencer's cuts (I'm not so hot on the cover of "Mission Bell.")

Anyway, RIP Mr. Kirwan. I'm sure I mentioned on another thread, "Sunny Side of Heaven" was the first song I ever learned to pick on a guitar.

i just read about this, RIP.

this is a really nice solo song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN6M5hWU_5U

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was in a record store in wichita on sunday that had three of kirwan's solo albums for a couple of dollars each. should i regret not picking them up?

RIP DANNY

XP Probably, if they weren't too scratched up. He only did three, they didn't sell well, and have been barely been available on CD.

I haven't actually heard them, but from what I read the first two are pretty good.